The Final Fantasy XIV Problem.

[Renalt]

I give people advice all the time and I've never gotten gaoled for it. Ever think maybe it's in your tone?

I'm 100% for this. Tone means everything in how things come off when you say it. However there will be people who are STILL offended. Nothing anyone can do about that. That's all on them.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'm 100% for this. Tone means everything in how things come off when you say it. However there will be people who are STILL offended. Nothing anyone can do about that. That's all on them.

Some people will be offended by anything. If they get that pissy, I either vote kick or just drop from the group. I can't control how others will act, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna get myself a warning over it.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if people have reported me for trying to give advice, but I've never heard from a GM about it. So, tone matters.

[Jokerz_93]

The thing is, [...] FC's give advice.

The thing is, not everywhere is the same. I saw people gave advises and be threatened to be reported for that. I saw NN gives bad advices based on wrong interpretation of things. My first FC was created long ago and no one there could even read the skills tooltip.

To me, this game is very "user friendly."[...]

People are not going to be toxic to you because the enviroment this game builds. They are not going to be toxic to you bc they are scared to say anything that could be turned against them, thanks to the ToS.
Also, I did say that XIV is not an user friendly game because it doesn't tell anything about everything. And I'm not saying XIV should be like that.
Indeed, the game does a decent job of providing a variety of avenues for the comunity to pick up the slack in helping people and at the same time it lacks to provides the basic resources for those who haven't yet found those avenues.

In all curiosity, [...]

I'm not talking about parsing tools, strats and builds. I'm talking about the core of specific job.
It's not mandatory to know how a specific job works to complete the majority of the XIV's contents, however this is mandatory in the case you are running hardcore contents.

In all seriousness, [...]

Honestly I've my doubts that it happens often. Still I can tell you that I've seen dragoons doing Coerthas Torments spam on single target for the entire fight. I've seen Astros not playing their carts, not using any offensive gcd, over healings for the entire duration of the fight. I've seen Paladins press random buttons, I've seen a lot of players not knowing the core of their jobs in normal contents and in savages. And, if savages are open to everyone (and I'm ok with this) the game should by default prepare those who wants to try them with guides in game that could be used also by everyone. Why not having a simple but well structered system that helps you out to play better? it'd be included in the sub.

FFXIV currently has the highest active playerbase [...]

I know, that's why I'm bit worried to see XIV change into a bottonless pit of headless chicken running and yelling "You dont pay my sub" from now on.

That "other award winning MMO" [...]

Hasn't XIV done the same, but in the opposite way? Hasn't XIV changed their approach and started focusing development on the toxic casual crowd?

In XIV the toxicity is from the casual side of the comunity towards the "hardcore" one rather than the opposite. I wonder why when we have a such well designed ToS.

I want to point out that I'm not blaming the comunity, it's something that SE should be made responsable for IF SE really cares about XIV and its comunity.

[Jokerz_93]

Some tooltips don't give you all the information. It took someone getting angry with me in a regular duty to make me look up a guide that showed that Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw became combo actions at level 64, because it's not in the tooltips - you need to also read the role traits to get that information. Because I was playing on a controller and had those two combos on separate bars that I switched between, I never saw the opposite button light up and so I was dropping tonnes of DPS without ever knowing it. So if it wasn't for someone being incredibly rude to me in party chat, I probably never would have figured it out.

Getting angry is a bit too much imo, but defenitly this is one of my points. As the state of the game is now, there is the need of someone else to tell you (and they can be quiet or not) that you are doing smth wrong or you should do that in a different way. The problem is, by ToS no one is allowed to say smth like that, unless you are the one to ask for. And here my question, how can I ask for help if I dont even know what I'm doing wrong?

[Jokerz_93]

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Could FFxiv do things better? sure could. but being unfriendly to new users?

Never said that XIV is unfriendly. I'm saying that XIV isnt build to be a friendly user rather it's build to be a game that promotes the ignorance towards its gameplay.
You dont have to know nothing to clear normal contents. Just be in there.
That's wrong and that's why WOD is still the most difficult ARR's alliance content, and I dont mention Dun Scaith or even the Rabanastre arc...

. taking 8 months to want to do so suggests a bit of laziness on your part. improvement past a certain level is on the player to do.. not on the game developers to provide.

How can someone knows the existence of the Balance Website, or the XIVSalted if no one has mentioned to you at least one? Who was born learned?
None and I had the misfortune to happen in an FC where no one knew anything about the game, about how to play and by the time I was a sprout so them seemed to me good players.
Accindentaly I stepped into someone who knew where to find good resources to improve. That's when I started realizing that XIV is build to keep people in ignorance. My parses speaks for me.

. not sure who you hang out with, but I have yet to find people in a large amount that are "incapable to clear normal content above ARR".
so yeah, I disagree on almost all points.

I hang out with XIV player base, sadly, on EU when just today their motion to abandon Rabanastre passed. Not the first time that happens.

[Jokerz_93]

The guidelines explicitly allow you to make polite requests:



You can't insult another player for not playing a certain way, but you may certainly inform them of something you think might be helpful and why you think that way.

Every time I read this "polite" way to interact with other it makes my laugh. By the time you write that you are well dead.
Seriusly, what's if your kindly request goes unanswered? You can't insist or you could sound rude. So? You have just to deal with one person that are ruining for X and Y motivations your gameplay and if you try to kick them from the duty you may pass as the bad guy. You have to bite your tongue and hope that duty will end asap. This is what happens most of the time. Someone is doing wrong, you just take a huge breath and start to count
Is this fair?
I dont mean that poeple should be rude with others and I agree that you must express your request in a proper manner, however not having nothing that guards me from people that dont listen for their reasons it's the problem. And that way to interect to me sounds like joke.

[Jokerz_93]

I give people advice all the time and I've never gotten gaoled for it. Ever think maybe it's in your tone?

Never been goaled, even when I tried.
And I usually dont give any advices bc I know how ppl react. I see ppl try to give advices and that's why I think this ToS is not well balanced

[Jokerz_93]

During a run as a healer, I gently asked the tank to use aoe, because...they weren't using aoe so enemies would always go to me. And I'd die. And then they die.

Their reply: "chill bro he's new".
I ONLY asked them to press one button, but that was enough to piss them off.

The tone has nothing to do with anything: some people are just jerks. But ToS defends the jerk so I'll stay quiet until we all die or we abandon the dungeon run.
Sure I could tell them what could be wrong but if asking to press one button is enough to piss them off, I wouldn't want to enrage them or report me because I'm telling how a boss works.
They asked for it, and I'm obliging it.

And that's how this ToS works.
Really maybe I'm forgetting something but if anyone has a link to show me that ToS defend also ppl that try to help jerks, please let me know.

[Jokerz_93]

Because if you say something someone doesn't like, you will always be the evil person!

That's why I'm posting my complaints here...and also bc PF in Light sucks and I've nothing of more interesting to do rn but to write here!

[Kes13a]

How can someone knows the existence of the Balance Website, or the XIVSalted if no one has mentioned to you at least one? Who was born learned?
None and I had the misfortune to happen in an FC where no one knew anything about the game, about how to play and by the time I was a sprout so them seemed to me good players.
Accindentaly I stepped into someone who knew where to find good resources to improve. That's when I started realizing that XIV is build to keep people in ignorance. My parses speaks for me.

honestly never even heard anyone talk about those websites before, nor have I ever used them.

guessing I must be one of those ignorant "toxic casuals".