Getting your health chunked / killed while Guard is up is the worst feeling.

[ThaCa]

I'm a melee player lmao, in case you haven't noticed from my copious posts about dragoon being kinda shit in comparison to other melee. And like I literally stated above, I don't look at my character most of the time. Camera zoomed out.

Top player on Light only plays DRG and has almost 1k point lead to next player. DRG is definately not weak.

[Towa-Musa]

lol ok. Keep wasting your drg LB to "escape" because you were too busy tunneling and not paying attention to the zerg dog piling you. Then again, you're the same person that thinks everyone who makes it to crystal is cheating/win trading, so we all know what kind of bad pvper you are.

Nobody cares.

[Llynethil]

Like we keep saying, look at entire kit of a job already.

You keep ignoring monk and saying it doesn't matter, it DOES matter when a job has a 2s stun on a 15s cd alongside an LB that destroys any ranged character that gets caught by it completely, that's how their kit works, and it's a far more deadly a combo then bards silence + bind.

Hell, machinist even without their stun has a way deadlier burst then bard ever has that can instakill any one player without even needing their team to help them out, they can just remove one enemy from the field like that, which again, is way scarier then a bard silence.

Bard's silence does not guarantee kills, you can still LoS when silenced, you can move out of range when silenced, the reason it stays 3s is because it does not prevent 100% of your actions, and it should stay that way because of that.
It's a supportive class with the lowest damage of all dps jobs, it's 100% reliant on their team to capitalize on their plays, and to keep them alive, almost all other caster or ranged don't need to do this, so no, silence is fine as it is, because you're sacrificing a spot on your team that could be occupied by a job that can destroy an enemy by themselves for a job that boosts everyone else's capability to do so, how hard is it to get that?

Asking for bard pvp nerfs is like asking for machinist pve nerfs, it literally makes no sense.

[Karasio]

Top player on Light only plays DRG and has almost 1k point lead to next player. DRG is definately not weak.

How do you check which jobs people use in pvp?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Like we keep saying, look at entire kit of a job already.

You keep ignoring monk and saying it doesn't matter, it DOES matter when a job has a 2s stun on a 15s cd alongside an LB that destroys any ranged character that gets caught by it completely, that's how their kit works, and it's a far more deadly a combo then bards silence + bind.

Hell, machinist even without their stun has a way deadlier burst then bard ever has that can instakill any one player without even needing their team to help them out, they can just remove one enemy from the field like that, which again, is way scarier then a bard silence.

For one, I am well aware of how BRD's kit works and I am making my suggestion with BRD's entire kit in mind. The suggestion contains not a nerf, but a shift in the power budget to make it equally powerful if not more powerful. Feel free to prefer the 3s Silence, but I am not here to suggest making BRD net-worse.

Also, since you seemingly can't shut up about Monk, I will give you my input about Monk.

Yes, Monk is a problem - one that I would have preferred to dedicate a different thread to, but since you are insisting, yes Meteo Drive despite the risks it has for using it in the current state is problematic. Breaking Guard and doing 24000 dmg regardless along with 3s of unguardable and unpurifyable stun is broken. So is being unable to mitigate Pressure Point after it had already applied.

That is why they attempted to make the LB generation a fair bit longer for this LB. Is it enough given MNK's kit? I don't know. Is MNK ridiculously powerful in the right hands? Absolutely. Would I want to see a change? Yes, but I'm not gonna discuss it here because it takes way more time for me to do so.

MCH has a bigger burst no doubt. Their Drill-WF-Snipe / Anchor-WF-Snipe combo are definitely in the ballpark of absurd almost. Arguably, they are very similar to MNK this way, with the difference that MNK builds up their burst first while MCH has a front-loaded setup that cycles around.

Bard's silence does not guarantee kills, you can still LoS when silenced, you can move out of range when silenced, the reason it stays 3s is because it does not prevent 100% of your actions, and it should stay that way because of that.

Neither did SAM's Mineuchi, RDM's Resolution and BLM's 3s Freeze status, yet they got reduced for reasons beyond the scope of solely the job they belong to. What they all have in common is their accessibility of a low CD / fairly easy build-up.

The only action a Silence (and by proxy, Polymorph) doesn't block is using WASD / left control stick, retargeting, your camera and Purify (except on Poly). Sprint is blocked.

LoSing is obviously a very viable counterplay to simply get out of harm's way. Frankly the map design for 2/3 is lacking, one more than the other, something I mentioned in my original post:

1.) Improve map design to offer more LOS objects:
- Palaistra middle
- Cloud 9 map overhaul

You can't LoS easily during engagements on focal points on this map. Since Sprint is blocked as well, out-ranging anything is also nonsensical, regardless if you jumped or got jumped when receiving Silence.

Considering NIN's 1 second Silence in The Feast was enough to make someone mistime Medical Kit / Recuperate, allowing your whole team to capitalise on it, imagine 3 seconds.

It's a supportive class with the lowest damage of all dps jobs, it's 100% reliant on their team to capitalize on their plays, and to keep them alive, almost all other caster or ranged don't need to do this, so no, silence is fine as it is, because you're sacrificing a spot on your team that could be occupied by a job that can destroy an enemy by themselves for a job that boosts everyone else's capability to do so, how hard is it to get that?

Asking for bard pvp nerfs is like asking for machinist pve nerfs, it literally makes no sense.

You seem to make it sound that BRD is seemingly weak and that Silent Nocturne is the only thing keeping it relevant, along with it 100% being reliant on your team to do anything with your buffs. Let's assume this is true...

Why not sacrifice 1 second out of 3 from the Silence in favour of more "everything else"? Not a nerf, but redistribution of your power?

You drop a second off Silence, leaving you with a standard 2s Silence, you get more firepower, more defensive power, more BUFFING power (Apex, Blast, Fantasia) depending on what the powers above consider. You are now less reliant on your team, still get to have a Silence that matters and anyone on the opposite end of a Silent Nocturne is less frustrated. How is this a net nerf?

Why are you insisting on making me look like I want BRD nerfed and nothing else?

[Karasio]

These people have no concept of power budget lmao.

[ThaCa]

How do you check which jobs people use in pvp?

I don't know if there's outside source to see match history, but I've played with most of the top 100 on Light since S1 on my main. They have stuck with the Job basically since the beginning and keep pulling some pretty ridiculous stuff.

As for the other high end people, it varies. Some play ranked on one Job, others focus 2-3 to change based on map or who are in queue at the moment and then there's handful of people that play more, wheter its to roulette when they tilt or to dodge/snipe other players in queue.

[Llynethil]

If we do what you are suggesting you do you'll be coming to these forums right back to cry about bard yet again because then it's problematic that a ranged class has a 2s silence while doing too much damage now and doing it from "safe" range. (btw there is no safe range in this game when every melee can stick to a ranged easier then a ranged can keep them at a distance).

And again, like I already said, you're making the job more boring and in line with the others, something we want to prevent from doing like how it is in PvE, in PvP we have a strong burst ranged dps for machinist, a supportive ranged dps for bard and a ... well dancer does dancer things and needs some help for sure.

Also the total hypocrisy of crying about LoS on cc maps when in the other threat where people complain about machinist, dark knight and monk punting people off the ramp in borderland for instant kills which you can do barely anything about you tell them:

" "Certain jobs have advantage on certain maps in certain areas in my non-trinity pvp largescale mode, I hate it."

...is all I understand from this. Sorry but other than a map redesign I can not see any reason why jobs with knockback / draw-in effects should be punished for cleverly utilising their kit for environmental damage. This is a PvP classic."

What's next, we gonna be mad at them for drawing people into the track line when the train arrives on Hidden Gorge?"

You can't have it both ways buddy, if you think that crap is fine, then you have no right to complain about the second lowest winrate dps job having a 3s silence that's kind of annoying to LoS out of on 2 maps, get real, you can't go around claiming you want everything to be more fair, when clearly you just want stuff that might affect you get taken down, probably because you play dark knight or monk a lot and the silence screws up the cheese, which is another reason it should stay at 3s, you don't want knockback cheese to change? Fine, then neither should one of the best counters to it.

[Ransu]

BRD despite being kinda weak is for the most part fine balance wise. It doesn't need a reduction in its silence timer, period, end of story.

WHM got theirs reduced because their LB also did 5 billion other things while being a fast charge. BLM LB also charges fast and their stun was aoe and spammable during LB. RDM again...an aoe. SAM's reduction didn't make sense honestly and shouldn't have been changed. Stuns in swtor are 8s long, so complaining about a 3s CC in this game is comical, especially a silence where you can still run around and don't have to burn a purify.

The only thing on brd that needs to change to make them less bad is their LB. Either through a redesign or just significantly lower the charge time. As it stands most of my matches I rarely get to use the LB even 1 time.

[Elfidan]

Man, this broken record of 'They disagree with me so clearly they don't play the job enough' is quickly coalescing into a meme.

The problem with silence isn't really the duration it's the fact it blankets basically everything. I'm silenced so I forget how to swing my axe, Magical warrior herp a derp derp~.

Buff DRG LB and make the damn marker a different color. Just sayin'.