The Problem with Healer Feedback, and requested changes

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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That was meant for the entire lengthy, pointless 'back and forth' essays from the past several pages---an analogy. You are merely a part of the discussion.

[...]That's proving to the world you've abandoned reason AND respectful discourse in favor of just insisting you're right and not just refusing to listen to anyone telling you you might not be for any reason, but also insulting them for good measure.

Anyway, at this point, I'm done.

I've given you reasons to ponder why your ideas may not be the best, and I've given you a valid proposal to get MOST of what you want while not ruining the game for everyone.

The Devs aren't going to listen to this anyway, so have fun continuing to play EW healer in 7.0, 8.0, and beyond, friends! o/

Kinda like what job devs have done to certain playerbase that makes up a part of the entire healer community, then. Oh how surprising...

If that's the same kind of treatment I get from my fellow player who's enjoying the current iteration of the role, then I see no merit in trying reason with them. Because like the devs, they cannot and/or will not listen, much less in trying to understand.

The problem is this will never change until someone with power takes an interest.

For example:
If Yoshi p mained a healer job we would not be in this situation.

Completing MSQ from fresh to the end is a starter for sure. Should be an AST, too.
Oh yeah, no job changing allowed >:U

[Renathras]

That was meant for the entire lengthy, pointless 'back and forth' essays from the past several pages---an analogy. You are merely a part of the discussion.

...and yet...

Kinda like what job devs have done to certain playerbase that makes up a part of the entire healer community, then. Oh how surprising...

If that's the same kind of treatment I get from my fellow player who's enjoying the current iteration of the role, then I see no merit in trying reason with them. Because like the devs, they cannot and/or will not listen, much less in trying to understand.

You address this directly to me, despite the fact that my posts have clearly shown I HAVE and DO listen to your side of the argument, and UNDERSTAND it as well.

If you read any of my posts at all, you'd see me repeatedly propose that there be changes made to healers to accommodate people that want a different playstyle. Because unlike the people I'm arguing against, I understand that other people like things I don't like, and I want them to be happy, too.

I'm actually the only person in this thread not doing what you're accusing me of. /shrug

There's merit in trying to reason with me - yet you aren't. Instead you're insulting.

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I guess this is the stage of the "discussion/debate" where it devolves into the people unable to counter a better argument attacking the person making the argument. As such, it's run its course.

As I said, the Devs aren't listening ANYWAY, so I guess it isn't relevant. My exasperation with you guys isn't malice, it's exasperation. The game's currently a way that many find acceptable. You want to make it into something else than it is and something many wouldn't find acceptable. And you reject any compromise which gives you some of what you want but not all of what you want. The end result will simply be you getting none of what you want.

People tend not to accommodate folks who make demands and accept no middle-ground, or insist getting their initial ask (which they move on to ask for even more) is somehow the middle ground instead of their opening bid.

In the end, the game is what it is.

People like it.

If you want change, you have to accommodate those people.

If you refuse to do so, you get no change.

And that's the state of the game - and the way the world irl works as well.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you read any of my posts at all, you'd see me repeatedly propose that there be changes made to healers to accommodate people that want a different playstyle. Because unlike the people I'm arguing against, I understand that other people like things I don't like, and I want them to be happy, too.

You do certainly despise the idea about WHM's skill ceiling being expanded, potentially brought up to their healer siblings' level out of concern that it'll badly upset this 'hypothetical majority of healers' that you speak of because Glarespam will no longer be the necessary optimum downtime options, even though there have been multiple times it's been discussed how to not upset the skill floor. That's essentially ignoring the WHMs who wants to be a WHM and have more choice to improve as a WHM just because "It's supposed to be simple" (paraphrase).

A gross simplification perhaps, but that's just the start.

There's merit in trying to reason with me - yet you aren't. Instead you're insulting.

Making a top-down reasoning based on your interaction(s) isn't an insult, but go ahead & believe what you want, you're entitled to your own opinion as I do to mine. If you think even that is accusatory & frustrating, then do heed your own advice and step away from the forum (How many times you've wrote this yourself?). Enjoy the healer in-game instead.

Like you've said, devs probably won't even read all of these dumpster fire and you get to keep your favorite healer the way they are till 9.0, probably! (Devs reading healer forum? What even is this madness?! )