The Problem with Healer Feedback, and requested changes

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

All that malms long of essay...

Remind me again why this is pointless to argue... oh yeah, this post:

Don't worry, you have me for that. I don't feel bad about it. Because I feel like at this point I've seen every single angle on the Sylphie attack vector. I'm beyond over it and uninterested in a "good faith discussion" about it. Because there really isn't common ground. You see, every discussion in this vein starts seemingly neutral. I want X, they want Y, there's a vague attempt to describe a world where X and Y have their time in the sun. But push them on it even a little bit and they start stamping their feet and revealing what they actually want: not X. They don't want Y. They want -not X-. Suggest a skill ceiling and the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins.

These people don't want low skill floors. They want nonexistent skill ceilings. They don't want accessible content, not really. What they want is healing to be an easy path to free stuff. Paying attention to your job's resources is bad. Even the existence of a suboptimal-but-still-present GlareMedica2 rotation that could satisfy the zero interactivity isn't enough. They want the lazy no-thought gameplay to be the optimal gameplay. They don't want to climb the mountain before them. They want to bulldoze it down, walk into the rubble, and declare they're at the peak now. They want an easy job that they can be told they're masters of by dint of unlocking the job stone.

Prod literally any Sylphie who claims they sympathize with the desire for more complex gameplay and that's the tantrum you're going to get. Every single time.

[Renathras]

All that malms long of essay...

Remind me again why this is pointless to argue... oh yeah, this post:

If you were replying to me, that's the weakest response possible.

All Semirhage said there is "Everyone I don't agree with is a baby throwing a tantrum", which is the worst kind of "argument" possible.

"Everyone I don't agree with is invalid, so I'm going to invalidate them, say they want things they don't want, tell other people what their mind is even though they've told me otherwise, and insist I know people better than they know themselves - while also knowing myself better than they know me - thus I can disregard their position because they're a whiny baby throwing a tantrum."

That's not an argument, it's an excuse.

That's proving to the world you've abandoned reason AND respectful discourse in favor of just insisting you're right and not just refusing to listen to anyone telling you you might not be for any reason, but also insulting them for good measure.

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Anyway, at this point, I'm done.

I've given you reasons to ponder why your ideas may not be the best, and I've given you a valid proposal to get MOST of what you want while not ruining the game for everyone.

The Devs aren't going to listen to this anyway, so have fun continuing to play EW healer in 7.0, 8.0, and beyond, friends! o/

[ty_taurus]

If you were replying to me, that's the weakest response possible.

All Semirhage said there is "Everyone I don't agree with is a baby throwing a tantrum", which is the worst kind of "argument" possible.

It's completely true, though. Look at what the thread has become. Every interaction began cordial, but every statement about the poor quality of healer gameplay is interpreted as an attack of your character and an insult to the "little guy." Every response becomes a novel on how everyone else in the room is crazy and doesn't understand what they're talking about. No one understands that you're the hero here trying to teach them why their opinions are so wrong and why yours is so right. No one else can see the light, but you can. And no one seems to appreciate that, even though you're sacrificing SCH, AST, and SGE out of the goodness of your heart for us, the highest charity.

These are not the responses of someone who's willing to have a calm, engaging good faith discussion. They are, ultimately, a tantrum of someone who is unwilling to yield an inch.

Roe and I have gone back and forth many times of this forum, sometimes agreeing, sometimes disagreeing. And never have we disagreed and started attacking each other at the throat, claiming the other's opinion as slander at every step. That's what a discussion that doesn't devolve into a tantrum looks like.

And Semirhage is entirely correct. It's been argued many many times that this expansion of gameplay and depth for the healers could ultimately result in, let's say 25% of your current DPS potential is moved to your additional actions, and spamming your filler spell can get you 75% of the way there. Thus if you want to continue playing WHM the way you'd want to, it would be entirely feasible for you to do so, and no one would be the wiser. Almost every aspect of the game doesn't even ask that of you since there are no enrage timers on everything below EX. It'd be more than enough for EX, and also even doable in Savage after a few weeks. But that's not the point. It's not about having the flexibility to play the way you want, your way needs to be the best way because anything else would be sacrilege.

That's why people continue to bring up the point that, whether you realize it or not, what you ultimately want is to be able to "bulldoze the mountain, step into the rubble, and claim that you're at the peak," wanting the satisfaction of performing your job at its highest without having to put in 40% of the effort all of your teammates are expected to. If this wasn't true, then you wouldn't be bothered by having the option of WHM's additional rotation actions and be content playing the way you want to, because that would be entirely allowed, and all of us would encourage you to do so.

And that is not me putting words in your mouth. It's just deductive reasoning.