The Problem with Healer Feedback, and requested changes

[Renathras]

First off, no. You aren't also looking out for us at the same time.

First of all, yes. Yes I am. You folks collectively need to stop telling other people what they do and don't think.

Any and all WHM's who want depth in their class are being told to "go play another class".

And any and all SCHs, ASTs, and SGEs who dont are being told to "go play another class, WHM" under my model. Under yours, they're being told to "go play another game/quit".

Which is the more egregious issue?

That is not fair when they can also be given extra dps buttons with 0 issue.

Except as we've discussed, it wouldn't be "with 0 issue". It would be with major issues, including a lot of healers would be locked out of content they currently play and enjoy as they are playing and enjoying it today.

Second, "you wish to change their class so they no longer how to play and can no longer clear content"? What do you think happens when we go from one expansion to the next? We got new skills added.

You're not asking for a mere addition of a few upgrade skills. When WHM went into EW, they got Lilybell they can use on rare occasions, Aquaveil they can tack onto Benison for tank busters, and their old abilities got upgraded to get new animations. That didn't require relearning the Job. It wasn't a major change to the Job's gameplay.

In ShB, there was...but not as much as you might think. Aero 3 was swapped for Misery, Solace was use case identical to Cure 2 (but preferred), and Rapture to Medica. All other abilities that were changed were streamlined or made simplier, not made more complex and didn't require relearning the Job or stretching one's existing capabilities. In the case of SCH and AST, it was quite the opposite with them being majorly simplified instead.

Earthly Star getting turned into the size of a galaxy isn't something you have to adjust TO.

Adding Lilybell didn't make it where WHM's doing Extreme and Savage before were unable to clear Extreme and Savage in 6.X. You don't even have to use Lilybell to clear ANYthing now. So that's not even close to an apt comparison all around.

Over the course of the expansion they'll learn.

And if they don't?

And if they do but it takes a while?

Oh, right: They won't have access to content they have access to presently.

Are you telling me that if in 7.0 WHM's get Aero 3 and another dps button people can't learn how to use that too? Cause that's what that line is reading as.

No.

I'm telling you the argument "people won't have to change if they don't want to and will not lose anything if they don't" is a lie.

I'm also telling you some people won't.

And I'm further pointing out there's no reason that it must even happen in the first place.

Also, SAM literally had Kaiten removed and were forced to learn their class. It didn't stop people from adapting even if they didn't like it. It won't stop people from learning WHM if they want to.

Kaiten removal made SAM less complex and easier to play - the exact opposite of what you propose.

And many people DID stop playing SAM over it.

Many people who even still play SAM still complain about it. Still want it changed.

Hell, people are still complaining about SB SCH, and that's been gone for, what, 4 years? Cleric Stance and that's be...close to 7+?

Clearly, people don't just get over it and move on.