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  1. #51
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    Rithy255's Avatar
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Progging means DPS checks and enrages, better DPS means more rotation mistakes by others allowed.

    The game should not be balanced around progression, that's ridiculous. It's okay if some jobs are better at progging than others, just as it's okay if some jobs are better at clearing than others, so long as every job is relatively balanced with each other in total DPS contribution and viable in both prog and clearing.

    BLM needs to be the highest total DPS in the game, currently it's behind all melee, which makes it "bad." RDM is currently 9th, only above MCH. So this gap is more than currently substantial enough to still want to bring BLM over RDM.

    I don't want it removed because it's 'useless,' I want it to remain because RDMs being able to raise is core job identity and class fantasy from previous FFs to me. I love that they can save pug roulette runs in alliance raids. That stuff "doesn't matter," but it's fun and adds job flavor. They shouldn't suffer DPS for it.
    The game shouldn't be balanced around progression? are we not playing the same game? why should the game be more importantly balanced around reclears...? at that point you know the fight and DPS checks are a joke... Sure we should have parts balanced around reclears but Progression of a fight has always been a big focus on balance, It's ridiculous to act like progression isn't something they should balance around

    So what you're saying is RDM raise is useless but you also like it because it's apart of it's "core identity" when in turn you really don't care about "identity" of jobs like BLM, BLM has always been known as a "high damage" job compared to a job like RDM which is meant to be a half healer half DPS we shouldn't use job identity as a reason for poor balancing, if you want to focus on actual balance and abilities to make red mage "good" or more "viable" then just remove raise and buff its dmg, end of discussion, like I've said 100 times again and again people will pick something with utility and more mobile/easier like Summoner, over "does more dmg" Also not saying there should be a significant difference like their is right now.

    If you want RDM/SMN to be "progression jobs" that's fine, but giving them 1% off blm damage just makes BLM practically redundant in anything like progression, reclears it's ok? but 1% really doesn't matter when you're overgeared and know the fight, again I don't know if we're playing the same game here.

    Like I've said remove ver-raise if you want to be 1% off or do BLM damage. It's pretty simple (and balanced, even if it makes the game more boring), Also just remove raise from savage, let rdm keep it for casual content, problem solved really.
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  2. #52
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    Videra Svenay
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 83
    How about in addition to this, we make sure that EVERY SINGLE CLASS IN THE GAME has an AOE by 15? THat would be nice, SE, and should be the default.
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  3. #53
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Videra View Post
    How about in addition to this, we make sure that EVERY SINGLE CLASS IN THE GAME has an AOE by 15? THat would be nice, SE, and should be the default.
    That one I can get behind.
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  4. #54
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    Dante Vigilante
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    Tonberry
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    Miner Lv 43
    Just put the raise spell in role action.

    Healer role action: Lv12 Raise Cast:8s Recast:2.5s
    Caster role action: Lv50 Resuscitate Cast:8s Recast:60s/120s
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  5. #55
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    Victor Theed
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    Goblin
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    Miner Lv 90
    I totally agree, I mean we are the Rez mage and it's in our identity, healers get there's at 12 so why not us, I even say give us veracure at like 15.

    My theory though is we get it at 64 so that SMN raise can shine at earlier levels, bit SMN only gets there raise at 12 cause of the arcanist class and were it's tied to SCH.
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  6. #56
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    Firemage Li
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorTheed View Post
    I totally agree, I mean we are the Rez mage
    No, we aren't
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  7. #57
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VictorTheed View Post
    I totally agree, I mean we are the Rez mage and it's in our identity, healers get there's at 12 so why not us, I even say give us veracure at like 15.

    My theory though is we get it at 64 so that SMN raise can shine at earlier levels, bit SMN only gets there raise at 12 cause of the arcanist class and were it's tied to SCH.
    Red Mage identity is "Spellblade melee Caster hybrid", not Rez Dispenser. If you think being a Rez Dispenser is an identity, let alone one you want, I urge you to play healer.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Red Mage identity is "Spellblade melee Caster hybrid", not Rez Dispenser. If you think being a Rez Dispenser is an identity, let alone one you want, I urge you to play healer.
    U don't want me on healer, bad things happen when I'm on healer, people die.
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  9. #59
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    No, we aren't
    You literally are. Rez mage is literally why prog groups bring a rdm along and then swap them out once they start clearing.
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  10. #60
    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    You literally are. Rez mage is literally why prog groups bring a rdm along and then swap them out once they start clearing.
    I see you still choose not to read posts. Go back and read the past several posts until you get it. If you reply without a proper education you will get no further attention from me here, dismissed
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