Remove the FC/Personal housing ward classifications for OCE?

[Damptoe]

The FC/Personal ward restriction have more than served their purpose by now. It's not a big deal, but the FC wards are depressingly empty on OCE servers and it would be nice to let them fill up a bit.

[Jojoya]

They wouldn't be able to remove the classifications but they could switch some of the FC wards to personal so players could move personal houses in.

I don't know how much of a difference it would make. My FC's ward is full yet it still feels depressingly empty when I'm there because there's rarely anyone else in the ward.

[Shibi]

The FC/Personal ward restriction have more than served their purpose by now. It's not a big deal, but the FC wards are depressingly empty on OCE servers and it would be nice to let them fill up a bit.

Yep, they always said they can change from lottery to FCFS on any individual server. There is no need for lottery, and the associated FC only wards, for us on materia.

Now that everyone is settled, and the prime houses have been allocated fairly, it's better to just open it up on Materia to immediate placard buy. Doing that would also remove the FC only reservation.

[Jojoya]

Yep, they always said they can change from lottery to FCFS on any individual server. There is no need for lottery, and the associated FC only wards, for us on materia.

Now that everyone is settled, and the prime houses have been allocated fairly, it's better to just open it up on Materia to immediate placard buy. Doing that would also remove the FC only reservation.

Are we certain the FC/personal designations are tied to the lottery as opposed to the ward? I got the impression that the designations exist regardless of lottery or FCFS.

[Shibi]

Are we certain the FC/personal designations are tied to the lottery as opposed to the ward? I got the impression that the designations exist regardless of lottery or FCFS.

Are you certain there is not? The ward desigation is tied to the placard after all. The FCFS code is quite old, based on SEs hesitance to change old spaghetti it's not hard to believe that there is no lock on walking up and buying.

I do get the feeling this will also be an issue on Dynamis. After the initial housing rush is over - like EU there will be a lot of servers left.

Flipping to FCFS after a while is smarter, and without ward splits it allows people to have a FC and house next to each other. This is the biggest problem on all new servers since June, few combos for personal/fc (outside of the wards that flipped over). A pain when you move between them.

[Jojoya]

Are you certain there is not? The ward desigation is tied to the placard after all. The FCFS code is quite old, based on SEs hesitance to change old spaghetti it's not hard to believe that there is no lock on walking up and buying.

I do get the feeling this will also be an issue on Dynamis. After the initial housing rush is over - like EU there will be a lot of servers left.

Flipping to FCFS after a while is smarter, and without ward splits it allows people to have a FC and house next to each other. This is the biggest problem on all new servers since June, few combos for personal/fc (outside of the wards that flipped over). A pain when you move between them.

If I go back to the original announcement about the new housing purchase system in Mar

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...796b3f56abbd28

we get:

Depending on the housing ward, land may be purchased on a first-come, first-served basis, or by lottery.

At the release of Patch 6.1, all land available for purchase will be subject to the lottery system.

followed by:

Housing areas are divided into plots available for purchase by either free companies or private buyers, and a plot’s usage is restricted accordingly.

* Methods of purchasing land and/or purchase availability may vary by World in future updates.

So it's the housing areas (wards) that are divided by FC or private. It doesn't state that the division is tied to the purchase method.

I don't believe going FCFS would allow FCs and individuals to buy houses in the same ward at the same time based on what's said there. For the types of owners to mix, it would require the ward designation to be changed - which honestly it should be on a regular basis to allow the mix. Swap them around every 2 months with the .X patch then again with the .X5 patch.

While I don't have an issue with wards that are mostly vacant going to FCFS, we end up with the question of what happens when all the mediums and larges are filled up so only smalls are left. Will FCFS be true FCFS opening the door to RMT again even of a plot owned privately, or will it go back to the placard timer FCFS as it existed at the start of the expansion (no relocation bypass)? The major money is in the mediums and larges, not the smalls. Would FCFS have to be switched back to lottery at that point?

[Shibi]

So it's the housing areas (wards) that are divided by FC or private. It doesn't state that the division is tied to the purchase method.

And as far as ward split absolutely zero has been said. So any statement that it works one way or another is simply made up. You make up your stance, and I make up my stance. You can't state it as a fact any more than I can. And you really shouldn't in your first post in this thread. And I should on my belief in my first post too, tbh. Neither of us is right, because neither of us know. SE have said nothing. Guess, but state it's a guess, not a fact. OK?


However, let me state that right now, on Materia, and on the new EU servers, and soon enough the Dynamis servers (after a few lottery rounds for fairness), retaining lottery is of no use - there are simply too many empty plots. Ideally, what I would like (ON NEW SERVERS) to see that that lottery (and hopefully split) runs for a few rounds, maybe 5 or 6, then if it's say > 5% free plots it's all removed and the system returns to FCFS (without split hopefully). People can combo their FC and personal next to each other, and all buys are instant. It remains FCFS until housing is down to 5% then lottery comes back on.

It's become clear that lottery serves little purpose on new servers after a few rounds, and the ward split should follow the same idea, so I'd love to SE do something to remove both until the new servers fill up.

While I don't have an issue with wards that are mostly vacant going to FCFS, we end up with the question of what happens when all the mediums and larges are filled up so only smalls are left. Will FCFS be true FCFS opening the door to RMT again even of a plot owned privately, or will it go back to the placard timer FCFS as it existed at the start of the expansion (no relocation bypass)? The major money is in the mediums and larges, not the smalls. Would FCFS have to be switched back to lottery at that point?

Placard timer for 10-12 hours, then walk-right-up buy.

RMT won't be advantaged. There is no relocation, and with clicking first there is no guarantee of a S-Tier demo sale. There are enough of us on the housing discords to spot an LB11/41 for sale and then be there at the placard to click and confound any attempt of RMT if it's demolished.

[Nepentha]

RMT won't be advantaged. There is no relocation, and with clicking first there is no guarantee of a S-Tier demo sale. There are enough of us on the housing discords to spot an LB11/41 for sale and then be there at the placard to click and confound any attempt of RMT if it's demolished.

I've got no stake in what goes on at the OCE servers, but I have seen what RMTers will do when FCFS is around. Soon as that house demos, you will never beat them to it. They will ward scan 24/7. Soon as they see a demo, they will use a bot to teleport to that location immediately and auto buy/auto relo to that plot before you've even noticed it's demo'd.

[Shibi]

The thread is on removing the split, which I do back. And I don't really want to disrupt and take it off topic with the FCFS argument. However... People do need to stop thinking of what happened/happens on Balmung and applying it to new servers. It's chalk and cheese.

They will ward scan 24/7. Soon as they see a demo, they will use a bot to teleport to that location immediately and auto buy/auto relo to that plot before you've even noticed it's demo'd.

(If the placard is on click-wars, there is no relo)

Enter a lottery for 5 days with no other entries for a guaranteed win, or insta-buy one of the thousands and thousands of empty plots for a guaranteed win. Both will guarantee a house, so I really fail to see the difference.

Can you maybe please describe how their chances are improved when they are already 100%? Because I can't see how it would change, outside of them waiting 5 days to get the guaranteed plot.

(i am going to do a quick survey of the number of plots, and will brb :P)

Back after partial on the server I was shopping on... Now - these numbers are 4.5 months after the zero bug was fixed.

bismarck shiro --

Ward 1 - 43 empty
Ward 2 - 52 Empty
Ward 3 - 54 Empty
Ward 4 - 50 Empty
Ward 5 - 56 Empty
Ward 6 - 56 Empty
Ward 7 - 53 Empty
Ward 8 - 55 Empty
Ward 9 - 54 Empty
Ward 10 - 50 Empty
Ward 11 - 48 Empty
Ward 12 - 52 Empty
Ward 13 - 52 Empty
Ward 14 - 52 Empty
Ward 15 - 48 Empty
Ward 16 - 52 Empty
Ward 17 - 53 Empty
Ward 18 - 51 Empty
Ward 19 - 25 Empty
Ward 20 - 27 Empty
Ward 21 - 24 Empty
Ward 22 - 18 Empty
Ward 23 - 33 Empty
Ward 24 - 23 Empty

bismark mist

Ward 1 - 30 Empty
Ward 2 - 48 Empty
Ward 3 - 53 Empty
Ward 4 - 51 Empty
Ward 5 - 50 Empty
Ward 6 - 48 Empty
Ward 7 - 51 Empty
Ward 8 - 39 Empty
Ward 9 - 54 Empty
Ward 10 - 47 Empty
Ward 11 - 50 Empty
Ward 12 - 47 Empty
Ward 13 - 41 Empty
Ward 14 - 44 Empty
Ward 15 - 48 Empty
Ward 16 - 49 Empty
Ward 17 - 51 Empty
Ward 18 - 50 Empty
Ward 19 - 25 Empty
Ward 20 - 28 Empty
Ward 21 - 22 Empty
Ward 22 - 30 Empty
Ward 23 - 24 Empty
Ward 24 - 27 Empty

Bismarch Emperyum

Ward 1 - 42 Empty
Ward 2 - 55 Empty
Ward 3 - 56 Empty
Ward 4 - 55 Empty
Ward 5 - 57 Empty
Ward 6 - 53 Empty
Ward 7 - 53 Empty
Ward 8 - 54 Empty
Ward 9 - 59 Empty
Ward 10 - 54 Empty
Ward 11 - 55 Empty
Ward 12 - 56 Empty
Ward 13 - 55 Empty
Ward 14 - 55 Empty
Ward 15 - 54 Empty
Ward 16 - 56 Empty
Ward 17 - 54 Empty

Well, you get the idea...

Heres a screencap of LB on that server: https://gyazo.com/30627d63f45a69acbc9df524699fd9bc so you can see it with the types of houses

it's all the same and every ward has at least 1 Medium, some with all of them, and many wards with larges. Zurvan is even softer than this, as it's smaller.

Let's extrapolate... We'll be generous and say there are 45 plots left per ward... 45*24*5 = 5,400 free plots on that server.


With all of this, how does a reversion to FCFS (and hopeful removal of the split) benefit the bot reseller? I can't see how.


And yes, this is an empty LB 11

[Nepentha]

Enter a lottery for 5 days with no other entries, or insta-buy one of the thousands and thousands of empty plots. I really fail to see the difference.

Can you maybe describe how their chances are improved when they are already 100%? Because I can't see how it would change, outside of them waiting 5 days to get the guaranteed plot

That was a lot of work I didn't actually ask for nor was it necessary as it's not relevant to my point. You made an assertion that y'all could beat any RMTers to choice plots. I was simply correcting you on that one. If an RMTer wants something, they will likely get it before you do if it's FCFS. That much has been proven over the years.

As I said, I have no stake with OCE. It may be that y'all stay small like that with plots always open. It could be like Mateus on Crystal, and suddenly be hit with a population boom that sees every plot snapped up abruptly.

I just don't trust that SE will flip the switch when they should. They've said before it's possible to change things according to a world's needs, but they never do. Apartments, for example, they said they could increase them if necessary way back when they introduced them and there were so many it seemed ludicrous that would ever be necessary. But, Balmung's fresh out of apartments atm, and it's happened two other times. Happened once on Mateus, too. Despite saying they can increase the number of apartments, they haven't and likely won't.

Precedence shapes my opinion on this one.