Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[Azuri]

Nah it's just weird. I have plenty more to say but weird sums it up pretty well.

If you're parsing random strangers without their knowledge in content that ultimately does not require efficiency (outside of the final bit where the scale balancing comes into play) that's weird. If you're using it for yourself without aims of posting it anywhere, that's fine. More power to you. I don't care at that point. My issue comes in when people are parsing quietly in the background and use it to harass people during or after that they weren't doing enough.

It's weird. Disagree with me if you want but ultimately my opinion isn't gonna change.

This is why I play Archer in Alliance Raids. Not like they require efficiency, right?

[SaberMaxwell]

"Why would you ever parse a dungeon / alliance raid?"

I uh... well uhm...

I know people who live log and usually just forget its still running. For several days.

I'd be willing to bet thats what leads to most casual content getting uploaded, not a desire to optimize to heck and back there, although the dungeon speedrunning scene is a bit cutthroat.

[Absimiliard]

If everyone else in the party is at a similar level then everyone is carrying their own weight.

I suppose that is fair. If everyone else in the party is also spending a substantial amount of their time debuffed or dead, that would indeed constitute carrying one's weight.

There is nothing weird about it.

Weird? If done intentionally with the intent to upload? Yeah, that would be weird. But as other posters have said, that's generally not going to be the case. You wouldn't gain anything of value from it.

[Saraide]

Wait....he is parsing......ALLIANCE RAIDS???

Why are you parsing alliance raids to begin with? O.o

Really weird when people do that, same as when people parse dungeons. You don't need *everything* to be as efficient as possible nor do random people deserve to be tracked quietly in the background without their knowledge.

Keep that to statics/actualy stated parse runs where it belongs.

Those runs were most likely not logged by firemage himself. I dont really understand why you would jump to that conclusion first. Intentionally parsing alliance raids is kinda weird but I suspect that's not how most of the AR logs get created. It's likely more of a 'had ACT running the entire evening and just uploaded in bulk' situation.

[Jojoya]

Do inform me how a SCH doing green in Aglaia is pulling their weight.

Green is just a color. What does that have to do with anyone pulling their weight?

Want to know if someone is pulling their weight? Find out from SE what minimum raid DPS is needed to down a boss encounter. Divide that by the number of members in the raid group. Is the amount of DPS a player is doing close to that amount, adjusted for other contribution they make that will? If so, they're pulling their weight.

Too often parser junkies set the bar for "pulling weight" far too high for what an encounter actually requires because they're after speed runs, not simple clears.

[LianaThorne]

Those runs were most likely not logged by firemage himself. I dont really understand why you would jump to that conclusion first. Intentionally parsing alliance raids is kinda weird but I suspect that's not how most of the AR logs get created. It's likely more of a 'had ACT running the entire evening and just uploaded in bulk' situation.

You'd be surprised, I've actually ran into a handful in dungeons over my two+ years and they proceed to get ripped to shreds by the other people in the party and kicked. It's really mindblowing that some think that it's okay.

Also there's a way to section what logs you upload so you don't just do bulk. Makes it way easier so you don't just upload random people's parses.

[Azuri]

Green is just a color. What does that have to do with anyone pulling their weight?

Want to know if someone is pulling their weight? Find out from SE what minimum raid DPS is needed to down a boss encounter. Divide that by the number of members in the raid group. Is the amount of DPS a player is doing close to that amount, adjusted for other contribution they make that will? If so, they're pulling their weight.

Too often parser junkies set the bar for "pulling weight" far too high for what an encounter actually requires because they're after speed runs, not simple clears.

Far too often housing junkies insist on those personal houses when they have apartments.

[LianaThorne]

Those runs were most likely not logged by firemage himself. I dont really understand why you would jump to that conclusion first. Intentionally parsing alliance raids is kinda weird but I suspect that's not how most of the AR logs get created. It's likely more of a 'had ACT running the entire evening and just uploaded in bulk' situation.

If it wasn't them admitting they parse in alliance raids then they probably should work on their phrasing a bit to explain their point further. Just reading it as it is sounds like they parse in alliance raids lol.

[Absimiliard]

This is why I play Archer in Alliance Raids. Not like they require efficiency, right?

The average player could conceivably get out-DPSed by an Archer.

If it wasn't them admitting they parse in alliance raids then they probably should work on their phrasing a bit to explain their point further. Just reading it as it is sounds like they parse in alliance raids lol.

Nah. The context is just a few pages back now. They disagreed with a person's point and brought their parses into it in an attempt to shut them down. The implication is pretty clearly that they went to that website to acquire the information, not that they parsed it themselves. Though, I'll grant you they did then proceed to defend the practice of parsing Alliance raids -- even claiming logs from in there to be a valid gauge of a person's skill at the game -- tooth and nail when called out.

[Azuri]

The average player could conceivably get out-DPSed by an Archer.

I hate to confirm but you are correct.