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    Player
    Aneshda's Avatar
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    Deidrea Shadowbane
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    Twintania
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    Pictomancer Lv 100

    Exp in Frontlines

    Please SE, remove Exp from Frontlines.
    The Players who likes to play Frontlines and wants to win ... gets no chance cause half of the Players in every Team are there only there for Exp.
    Those Players have already a full Duty with Raids, Trial, Main Scenario, Dungeons ... and no matter what they leech their Way through Frontline to Level their Jobs. I see only 3 Ways to change this behavior.

    - Remove Exp completly
    - Only the Winner Team gets exp
    - Only those who made a lot Damage gets exp

    There is not a single Frontline, without 1-4 afk Players, sitting save around in the Base or someone far away from the Fights and waiting for their Exp, Marks, Rewards and so on. This has to be changed. Even a Report Button for those afk Players would be okay. A Player who gets reported afk in Frontlines, has 60 seconds to do damage, if not then that Player gets removed and a 6-24 hour penality.
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    Someone call the Forum Police! Because I wrote passive aggressively that DT looks not good. Oh how right I was!

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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    There are already penalties and a system in place to report:

    1- You can already report players that you *suspect* are AFK ( i say suspect because it's up to the GM to decide)
    2- Removing exp would likely remove a good chunk of players and thus result in much longer queues
    3- Players are already penalized by getting less EXP if they do not win

    You realize that you can kick someone from FL? it depends upon when you want to do it, but that is also an option. I have seen a kick go through. I find your option of an easy to access Report for AFK PLUS a 6-24 hour penalty unduly harsh. You could be doing anything from travelling, then guarding, and whoops - maybe travelling - (depending on the map or your job, maybe you're new ) - out you go with a nice big penalty.

    Edited- what would you even consider to be "a lot" of damage? Should damage be the only criterion? What about heals?
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    Last edited by IDontPetLalas; 10-10-2022 at 03:07 AM.

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    MilkieTea's Avatar
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Maduin
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I feel like this could be abused lmao. Imagine someone who's not very good but still doing their job, they just don't know how to deal damage well. You could report them and give them 60 seconds to meet an arbitrary benchmark and then bam, booted. Because they're not the best at frontlines.
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    Off-Topic Discussion Megathread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/434886-Off-Topic-Discussion-Megathread
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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    Silver Faye
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    Louisoix
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    There are already penalties and a system in place to report:

    1- You can already report players that you *suspect* are AFK ( i say suspect because it's up to the GM to decide)
    2- Removing exp would likely remove a good chunk of players and thus result in much longer queues
    3- Players are already penalized by getting less EXP if they do not win

    You realize that you can kick someone from FL? it depends upon when you want to do it, but that is also an option. I have seen a kick go through. I find your option of an easy to access Report for AFK PLUS a 6-24 hour penalty unduly harsh. You could be doing anything from travelling, then guarding, and whoops - maybe travelling - (depending on the map or your job, maybe you're new ) - out you go with a nice big penalty.

    Edited- what would you even consider to be "a lot" of damage? Should damage be the only criterion? What about heals?
    I feel like most of the people in it for the exp are doing the daily.
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    Player Necrotica's Avatar
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    Dolly Derringer
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 90
    This would lead to 5 hour ques.
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Phoenix
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    This would lead to 5 hour ques.
    Who cares if its more time in queue, frontline roulette should not exist if you ever care about bg being serious.

    I would rather have more people queue in that want to win you know, not troll people with bla bla bla im just here for xp stop being toxic just farm more damage and dont do objectives like me

    Also xp in pvp is miniscule. Just remove it completly from every mode. You want to pvp as specific class? You only need lvl 30 not giga slow 90 grind.
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    Last edited by Stasya; 10-11-2022 at 12:28 AM.

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    Fisher Lv 100
    Use Vote Kick or report them.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    OP apparently didn't play back before exp was added to frontlines...Ya know, back in the day when the frontlines queue was an hour long and no one played it lol (sometimes the queue wouldn't pop at all for days, basically what rival wings deals with right now).

    The exp reward is fine. 2 or 3 people afking in a corner is not a big deal in a chaotic game mode with 72 players. Them being "active" isn't going to change the outcome of the match. If you wanna win that badly for your dumb achievements then make a premade group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    Who cares if its more time in queue, frontline roulette should not exist if you ever care about bg being serious.

    I would rather have more people queue in that want to win you know, not troll people with bla bla bla im just here for xp stop being toxic just farm more damage and dont do objectives like me

    Also xp in pvp is miniscule. Just remove it completly from every mode. You want to pvp as specific class? You only need lvl 30 not giga slow 90 grind.
    Your first mistake was acting like frontlines should be taken seriously. Its the casual pvp mode and its always been intended to be as such. You can't take a zerg mode with 72 players seriously. And how is the exp miniscule? The roulette is like half a level lol.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 10-11-2022 at 12:47 AM.

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    Easley Lighthalzen
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 100
    It's gonna be dead like Hidden Gorge if you remove exp reward
    Do you think people enjoy frontline? Frontline is literal GARBAGE
    It is literally THE WORST mode in this game
    It's like 90% RNG and 10% skill

    People like me are just collecting mounts (30 more wins for me to get the 200-win mount and I'm never setting foot in it again)
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    It's gonna be dead like Hidden Gorge if you remove exp reward
    Do you think people enjoy frontline? Frontline is literal GARBAGE
    It is literally THE WORST mode in this game
    It's like 90% RNG and 10% skill

    People like me are just collecting mounts (30 more wins for me to get the 200-win mount and I'm never setting foot in it again)
    We used to get scaled down 8v8v8 frontline matches because there was never enough people for 72 players. At that point the mode was very tolerable and people actually *gasp* pvp'd, but ya the 72 player crap is just a mess and has never been enjoyable because its not really pvp.
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