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  1. #21
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    I have been told for the last 6 weeks by seemingly people who cleared that there can never ever ever be balance issues if a single team of players managed to clear the fight on week 1 using nay particular job no matter how undertuned it is.
    Aside from the fact that fflogs basically showed none of those jobs clearing week 1, using week 1 top tier players as an example of balance is never a good thing because the best of the best can get around extreme issues, but even then this tier the best of the best were forced to swap off jobs like WAR, PLD and MCH to reach a week 1 clear.
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  2. #22
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    that's not true, week 1, day 1 and world first statics had MCH RDM RPR PLD and WAR in them
    One of the most popular streamers and notorious WAR simp switched off his main job because GNB completely dunked all over WAR. The margin for error week 1 was so ridiculously tight due to the poor job balance running a comp which included all the jobs you listed had a less than 1% chance of clearing due to crit variance. In fact, none of those jobs cleared as a comp together. They all cleared with some other meta combination.

    So yeah, this is complete nonsense.

    Edit: To further emphasise my point. As someone who cleared door boss week 1. My 41% ranked Dark Knight clear matched the 100% logs of Warrior and Paladin. That's utterly insane.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 10-09-2022 at 11:56 AM.
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  3. #23
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    EryxGG's Avatar
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    Rydia Farron
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    Midgardsormr
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Because PF is where the vast majority of players experience end-game content. If you polled the entire playerbase, I think the gap between players who solely use PF versus those who raid in statics would be much larger than we'd think.
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    Last edited by EryxGG; 10-09-2022 at 03:01 PM.

  4. #24
    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Hariette Reina-cuento
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    Marilith
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EryxGG View Post
    Because PF is where the vast majority of players experience end-game content. If you polled the entire playerbase, I think the gap between players who solely use PF versus those who raid in statics would be much larger than we'd think.
    and your source being?
    every source I search for claims that the vast, vast majority of raiders are casual raiders who only raid 3h a week in a static made of 7 other friends
    pf is only for the irrelevant minority of players who play more than 10h a day
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  5. #25
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    azurechicken's Avatar
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    Vane Ohta
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 12
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    and your source being?
    every source I search for claims that the vast, vast majority of raiders are casual raiders who only raid 3h a week in a static made of 7 other friends
    pf is only for the irrelevant minority of players who play more than 10h a day
    Thanks for your comments. Tho you yourself too are not citing your source.

    You said;
    "pf is only for the irrelevant minority of players"
    Your vulgarity is also unwarranted. Im a working parent with limited time to play. With family and work schedule , static arrangements can be challenging. Hence u are you in no position to speak on my/our behalf.

    Pfs and Dfs endgame still have a place for players in elemental.
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  6. #26
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    Lunalepsy's Avatar
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    There's a shortage of healers... in PF only.
    week 1 hardcore statics had no problem finding healers
    casual statics don't have problems finding healers
    midcore statics don't have trouble finding healers.

    Some jobs are being excluded from high end raiding... in PF only
    week 1 hardcore statics don't exclude jobs
    casual statics sure as hell don't exclude jobs
    you will always find a midcore static recruiting your job

    The DPS check for p8sp1 was too tight... for PF only
    week 1 hardcore statics had no problem clearing with any job composition
    casual statics don't care about week 1 clearing
    midcore statics also don't care about week 1 clearing

    It feels to me like people just use PF as a reflection of the state of the balance of the game, when in reality PF is maybe 0.01% of the entire raiding playerbase.

    And the worst part is that the developers are catering to PF by making balance decision aimed directly at helping PF clear.
    Becuase that's where people sell pics!
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  7. #27
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    FadingCosmos's Avatar
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    Faine Chassebel
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    Famfrit
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Clearly there's 0.01% using PF for raiding.

    https://imgur.com/Wz0s2tA
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  8. #28
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    Raoabolic's Avatar
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Coeurl
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FadingCosmos View Post
    Clearly there's 0.01% using PF for raiding.

    https://imgur.com/Wz0s2tA
    *clears throat*
    28 MILLION PLAYERS! Though it is nice seeing that many doing P8S in PF.
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  9. #29
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    *clears throat*
    28 MILLION PLAYERS! Though it is nice seeing that many doing P8S in PF.
    "Registered Players" and "Subscribed and playing players" are two totally different stats.
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  10. #30
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Coeurl
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    "Registered Players" and "Subscribed and playing players" are two totally different stats.
    Obviously, but SE sure does love repeating that number and hoping potential customers don't notice the phrasing too much. lol
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