That Which He Does Not Play

[kpxmanifesto]

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Yikes, some people in this thread really have it out for you, lmao.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Pretty much attack the person, not the idea going on right now. The white knightery is strong in this thread.

It's not even like it was out of context. It's a straight quote.



There's a difference between designing something and using it (any mechanic or repair tech will tell you that).

You can design a car for amazing specifications but if the ride is uncomfortable as sh!t people will complain.

Can't say I saw many white knights. Just people pointing out the fact it only says personal account. That was taken n spun into something to complain about and some deem the thread bait due to this.

[Stormpeaks]

Can't say I saw many white knights. Just people pointing out the fact it only says personal account. That was taken n spun into something to complain about and some deem the thread bait due to this.

You are the epitome of white knight to be entirely honest, so obviously you wouldnt see them.

You need to get off my case dude n put your hate boner away. You already tried to lie about me in this very thread. Dumb move as anyone can go to that thread n see that you're lying. Am I a white knight for simply pointing out that it's not true that Yoshi only cares about content that effects him? Or is it the classic "you don't agree with me so you're a white knight" bull? I challenge you, pull up at least 3 posts of mine where I'm apparently knighting and I'll wear that badge. Until then keep that label off my name thank you VERY much.

You already quoted that yourself in the previous page, I dont have to do it.

You literally said that you pay for the subscription and that it's all it allows people to do with it and that they have no right to complaint about it because it's not part of the sub, then I had to correct you that the fantasia is a fully paid service and that a decent preview options should be provided as it's a paid service.

You are ready to defend this game at all cost which is very laughable, but at least you are very oblivious to it, which makes it even funnier.

[IkaraGreydancer]

You are the epitome of white knight to be entirely honest, so obviously you wouldnt see them.

You need to get off my case dude n put your hate boner away. You already tried to lie about me in this very thread. Dumb move as anyone can go to that thread n see that you're lying. Am I a white knight for simply pointing out that it's not true that Yoshi only cares about content that effects him? Or is it the classic "you don't agree with me so you're a white knight" bull? I challenge you, pull up at least 3 posts of mine where I'm apparently knighting and I'll wear that badge. Until then keep that label off my name thank you VERY much.

I see we're still lying. Quote where I said folks have no right to complain about it due to it not being part of the sub? I said iirc we aren't entitled to extras. Hell I even stated changed can be made and even admitted hair is something you have no way to check. Yet...I apparently defend the game at any cost. You constantly lie n lie n lie on my name and it's truly pathetic.
(Also nice dodge, asked you to provide proof to show the masses n you ofc don't. Probably because you don't have proof outside of your own perception)

[hagare]

You are the epitome of white knight to be entirely honest, so obviously you wouldnt see them.

Is that what your experience tells you? ������

[aveyond-dreams]

I suppose it was too much to expect for people to connect the dots despite the glaring issues with the quote in the OP, but at this point it's hardly worth explaining. Gradually over time since Stormblood we've been forced to put up with more and more of Yoshi's whims and terrible ideas in the vein of limited jobs, limited races he never planned to follow up on, and most recently what many view as his attempt to tamper with directly with the game's storytelling in Endwalker. No wonder it felt like such a disaster on that front, Dynamis didn't exist when Ishikawa wrote Shadowbringers.

As for content and gameplay, I hardly need to go on at length about either. Take a look around. This "playground" is in ruins.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I suppose it was too much to expect for people to connect the dots despite the glaring issues with the quote in the OP, but at this point it's hardly worth explaining. Gradually over time since Stormblood we've been forced to put up with more and more of Yoshi's whims and terrible ideas in the vein of limited jobs, limited races he never planned to follow up on, and most recently what many view as his attempt to tamper with directly with the game's storytelling in Endwalker. No wonder it felt like such a disaster on that front, Dynamis didn't exist when Ishikawa wrote Shadowbringers.

As for content and gameplay, I hardly need to go on at length about either. Take a look around. This "playground" is in ruins.

Then I simply ask. WHY continue to fund it dude? No trolls. No bs. Literally just why? If it's THAT bad. If it's THIS terrible why waste money on it dude when there's other things out there? Better ways to apply your time.

For example I have issues with Phantasy Star Online New Genesis (played the OG game for years prior to its release). I've said all I needed to say in the right places n I've since left the game til it makes the changes I'd like to see. It's a much more healthy approach compared to basically choosing to piss yourself off with a game you've disliked for years it seems.

[Avoidy]

Then I simply ask. WHY continue to fund it dude? No trolls. No bs. Literally just why? If it's THAT bad. If it's THIS terrible why waste money on it dude when there's other things out there? Better ways to apply your time

Speaking as someone who's come from several now-dead MMOs, sometimes when you really love a game and you perceive it going in a bad direction, you'll try to communicate your grievances in the only way you can in hopes that things might turn around. You don't want to drop all the time you put into it, so quitting is your absolute last resort. I remember being in OP's shoes on the old tera forums, knowing that the devs probably weren't reading my posts, but continuing to submit feedback and criticism because I loved the game and didn't want to see it die. The community's opinion of my posts didn't matter to me, as long as someone who could change the game read my feedback (which was echoed by people I talked to in game who never bothered to make forum accounts) and considered it, because they were seriously going down a bad path that had them losing more people each patch. Anyway, nobody ever listened and the game continued to lose players and now it's dead.

IDK what OP's exact grievances are, and I'm not gonna dig through his post-history to find out, but after watching BDO slide off a cliff and tera straight up shut down, I've come to recognize red flags myself. Dumbing down gameplay to fit a broader base is usually a big one. The development team seeming increasingly out of touch with their player-base is another. Sudden lack of communication is another. When you start to see these things in any game, you should point it out imo. If you visit the dps/healer sections, there are threads for days where people complain about their job feeling dumbed down. The dev team seemingly does these things at a whim, even when the players are happy with the job (see: the anxiety over coming drg changes), showing that they're not always in touch with what the players want. And when you come to the forums to complain about it, nobody responds; there hasn't been a staff response in years. Communication comes in the form of live letters, the bulk of which aren't even officially translated.

Sadly, there aren't a lot of other MMO options. I'd bet people who cling to the game while having nothing but criticism for it are secretly hoping things change since there aren't many better options. The MMO genre is in an absolutely dreadful state at the moment. WoW is run by people who molest their employees. BDO is a cash grab. Guild Wars 2 fans are leaving in droves. PSO2 is a hentai lobby game. For the MMO fan, the suggestion that they "Just Quit!" is followed by "and play what, exactly?" WoW? BDO? Guild Wars? lmao. XIV is probably the best mmo on the market, and that is ... scary as hell if you're a fan of the MMO genre.

Not trying to speak for the op, btw. Just sharing my own experiences as someone who used to make threads like these on another game's forums.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Speaking as someone who's come from several now-dead MMOs, sometimes when you really love a game and you perceive it going in a bad direction, you'll try to communicate your grievances in the only way you can in hopes that things might turn around. You don't want to drop all the time you put into it, so quitting is your absolute last resort. I remember being in OP's shoes on the old tera forums, knowing that the devs probably weren't reading my posts, but continuing to submit feedback and criticism because I loved the game and didn't want to see it die. The community's opinion of my posts didn't matter to me, as long as someone who could change the game read my feedback (which was echoed by people I talked to in game who never bothered to make forum accounts) and considered it, because they were seriously going down a bad path that had them losing more people each patch. Anyway, nobody ever listened and the game continued to lose players and now it's dead.

IDK what OP's exact grievances are, and I'm not gonna dig through his post-history to find out, but after watching BDO slide off a cliff and tera straight up shut down, I've come to recognize red flags myself. Dumbing down gameplay to fit a broader base is usually a big one. The development team seeming increasingly out of touch with their player-base is another. Sudden lack of communication is another. When you start to see these things in any game, you should point it out imo. If you visit the dps/healer sections, there are threads for days where people complain about their job feeling dumbed down. The dev team seemingly does these things at a whim, even when the players are happy with the job (see: the anxiety over coming drg changes), showing that they're not always in touch with what the players want. And when you come to the forums to complain about it, nobody responds; there hasn't been a staff response in years. Communication comes in the form of live letters, the bulk of which aren't even officially translated.

Sadly, there aren't a lot of other MMO options. I'd bet people who cling to the game while having nothing but criticism for it are secretly hoping things change since there aren't many better options. The MMO genre is in an absolutely dreadful state at the moment. WoW is run by people who molest their employees. BDO is a cash grab. Guild Wars 2 fans are leaving in droves. PSO2 is a hentai lobby game. For the MMO fan, the suggestion that they "Just Quit!" is followed by "and play what, exactly?" WoW? BDO? Guild Wars? lmao. XIV is probably the best mmo on the market, and that is ... scary as hell if you're a fan of the MMO genre.

Not trying to speak for the op, btw. Just sharing my own experiences as someone who used to make threads like these on another game's forums.

This makes sense. It all really boils down to your viewpoint. Some have issues with the game at large, others love the current game state. Thing is we have to remember it's all opinions.

Sunk cost if very real and I'd never discount that. But I still say you need to do what's best for yourself and step away from things that upset you. In this case, xiv. OP has listed better games than xiv (to him) and some of us suggested he go play those. I do it as do many others. (Currently back to playing Mass Effect myself).

Dev communication here is definitely odd but if I'm putting myself in their shoes I wouldn't be speaking here either with how volatile things get here. Not saying it's ok not to speak at all. Just being understanding of possible reasons why they dont.

MMOs aren't in the best spot rn that's true. Speaking of which I'm now curious about the state of Lost Ark lol.

[Kaurhz]

I suppose it was too much to expect for people to connect the dots despite the glaring issues with the quote in the OP, but at this point it's hardly worth explaining. Gradually over time since Stormblood we've been forced to put up with more and more of Yoshi's whims and terrible ideas in the vein of limited jobs, limited races he never planned to follow up on, and most recently what many view as his attempt to tamper with directly with the game's storytelling in Endwalker. No wonder it felt like such a disaster on that front, Dynamis didn't exist when Ishikawa wrote Shadowbringers.

As for content and gameplay, I hardly need to go on at length about either. Take a look around. This "playground" is in ruins.

What dots precisely? The only thing present in this thread is a misguided perception of an interview. The only thing you've tried to do is use the absence of play for Island Sanctuary on the producer's personal account as a weight for your argument that design choices on the game are made on a whim, which is about the closest to mental gymnastic you can achieve.

Whether I do or do not personally agree with some design choices being made on a whim or without proper forethought is entirely different, but to try and use whether a particular piece of content has been played on their personal account as an argument for it or anything is misguided at best.

Trying to use it as being indicative of anything is laughable at best.