That Which He Does Not Play

[Renalt]

I get yours too and got no bad vibes with you. I usually just take the stance of let people do what they want unless it involves violence towards another person or themselves. Makes life easier.

Doesn't mean I don't have a big mouth though at the same time and cant be a bit opinionated myself sometimes. XD

Fair enough. More than fair enough. I'm glad we could both see eye to eye with each other. Too many like to go into battle about such things.

[Theodric]

If I was to make a thread about my enjoyment of the current state of healing I'd be insulted and ragged on by many of ths threads supporters.
It's a 2 way issue.

I doubt that very much.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I mean, if something they liked got changed into something they didn't then they'd have the same right to voice their concerns/criticisms in the same manner as those who had complaints in the first place (which usually tends to happen when things change). As I said from the start, one side has the same right as the other.

My ultimate point was that, on an individual level, their opinion shouldn't be swayed by another unless they actually agree with it. But, to put it bluntly, life also isn't fair sometimes and one side won't always get what they want...literally just like people who have been voicing concerns about healers for x amount of years now. That doesn't mean they should just not talk about it anymore though because others want things to stay the same and not change. Change is just a part of life.

Thing is you've moved goalposts with your original point

"If people wanna complain about the sky being blue instead of yellow, let em. What does someone else's random opinion really do to your day?"

I provided an in game example of how it effects people per your question. Changes being made leading to destain was then deemed a "you problem". Maybe the whole swaying bit is what you were going for at the start but thats not how it was presented imo. Not the biggest issue ofc


Also Theo you say that but I expressed that I don't feel like I'm just tapping one button when I'm healing as a Sage as I do many different things. Expressed that healing is indeed fun n I was ragged on n told I had crap standards. Can't remember the thread that was though.

[ronibosch]

Fair enough. More than fair enough. I'm glad we could both see eye to eye with each other. Too many like to go into battle about such things.

Oh, but you're cool with going to battle when it comes to female Au Ra, huh?
(I kid, I kid.)

[Renalt]

Oh, but you're cool with going to battle when it comes to female Au Ra, huh?
(I kid, I kid.)

oh absolutely. The battle going so hard that people would feel the shockwaves of our fury.

And then the hate fornication happens and people feel the force of our hate/love.

[Kes13a]

I doubt that very much.

not sure where you have been but positive threads about liking an aspect of the game, or even the game itself are generally "shouted" down as the poster being a shill or what have you. that has been proven time and time again. so not sure why you express doubt

[ronibosch]

oh absolutely. The battle going so hard that people would feel the shockwaves of our fury.

And then the hate fornication happens and people feel the force of our hate/love.

O-oh my...

[Kazhar]

not sure where you have been but positive threads about liking an aspect of the game, or even the game itself are generally "shouted" down as the poster being a shill or what have you. that has been proven time and time again. so not sure why you express doubt

"I hate haters" threads are not positive.

[AwesomeJr44]

If I was to make a thread about my enjoyment of the current state of healing I'd be insulted and ragged on by many of this threads supporters.
It's a 2 way issue.

I doubt that very much.

I agree with Theodric. I probably wouldn't be in such a thread as I don't play healer that much, but as long as the points made were good, I'd be in support of a thread like that. I'm not against criticism of the game, even if I disagree with the premise. For example, I don't 100% agree with Aveyond's OP here but I still support his ability to be critical of the game/devs, and I'm against the people who blindly hate him for it. I sincerely doubt that Ikara would be getting 'ragged' by the supporters of this thread.

not sure where you have been but positive threads about liking an aspect of the game, or even the game itself are generally "shouted" down as the poster being a shill or what have you. that has been proven time and time again. so not sure why you express doubt

Are we talking about actual positive threads or threads where the OP spends half of the post talking about how terrible people who are 'too negative' are?

"I hate haters" threads are not positive.

It's positive to them because it's directed at the 'right people'.

[Striker44]

I doubt that very much.

I don't doubt that in the least. Just look when IS came out. The usual crew making multiple threads about everything they found "wrong" with it. One thread was made by someone who enjoyed it talking about what they liked. And within the first few comments were several of the echo chamber cabal either straight-up attacking the OP or making passive-aggressive remarks like "I loved how I was able to no-life it for a day and now there's nothing to do." If anyone made a thread here talking about how they enjoy something in FFXIV, they'd doubtless be attacked for it. Heck, it happens practically anytime someone makes a post about something they like in juxtaposition to a post about something someone doesn't like...