That Which He Does Not Play

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Probably the weirdest thing Ive experienced on these Forums, is that both Positive Threads Praising what they like, and Negative Threads Criticizing The game, both devolve very quickly into "us, vs them" threads.

Or how Everyone in a Criticism Thread has this attitude of, anybody who disagrees with me is a White Knight Zealot that Worships the ground YoshiP walks on. And they are trying to silence criticism.
Its weird how only one mindset is allowed. People are apparently just suppose to agree.

[SannaR]

Probably the weirdest thing Ive experienced on these Forums, is that both Positive Threads Praising what they like, and Negative Threads Criticizing The game, both devolve very quickly into "us, vs them" threads.

Or how Everyone in a Criticism Thread has this attitude of, anybody who disagrees with me is a White Knight Zealot that Worships the ground YoshiP walks on. And they are trying to silence criticism.
Its weird how only one mindset is allowed. People are apparently just suppose to agree.

That's how this forum has evolved. I miss the days when you'd have to write a thesis paper to explain your position while making sure you didn't forget anything cause someone will rake you over the coals and hound you for forever and a day about the smallest miniscule of a detail about a thing you forgot to include. Now most of the time even if you state that you might not enjoy a small aspect about something or a character it will be ignored by the fact you said you enjoyed said thing or character. Or the opposite if you didn't like it/them.

Then there are those who state they might disagree with a point or points about something someone has brought up but almost never show that they do. They only take umbrage with how others are disagreeing with someone else. Which I'm sure is how the dog piling people into a group comes to be. And when such behavior starts to make a pattern some act surprised that others have noticed it and get defensive about it. Not to say that any side is free of said behavior or that no amount of bias doesn't play into such. Course the days where you had to write thesis papers are part of why I chose to dip out of the general section and even now don't engage as much.

Heck I don't even dislike the OP or even some of the others I disagree with. I just have a problem with how they word things. Which to some will get labeled as some form of thought and or forum policing or trying to silence voices or white knighting. Course I also got older and learned not to try and be as up in arms about everything or get goaded into debating about.

[AwesomeJr44]

Probably the weirdest thing Ive experienced on these Forums, is that both Positive Threads Praising what they like, and Negative Threads Criticizing The game, both devolve very quickly into "us, vs them" threads.

Or how Everyone in a Criticism Thread has this attitude of, anybody who disagrees with me is a White Knight Zealot that Worships the ground YoshiP walks on. And they are trying to silence criticism.
Its weird how only one mindset is allowed. People are apparently just suppose to agree.

People: There's a group of people, not everyone here but only a certain group, who are genuine white knights for this game who try and shout down critics of the game, and I don't like them and/or their actions.
Zanarkand: *lumps themselves in with the white knights and injects themselves in* Why are you calling everyone who simply disagrees with you a white knight!!!
People: No, I just meant those guys over ther-
Zanarkand: Why is everyone who disagrees with you a white knight!!!

You do this every time.

Might be yeah, but i close the forum and all is gone, but seems like ppl living here and don't enjoy the game anyways, that makes me really sad.

Also don't wanna judge ppl i don't really know, i know the game got some issues but they're holding their promises and don't cancel content like other Companies

I have parts of the game that I enjoy and parts I don't. As for whether they're keeping their promises... excuse me for a moment, my sides are starting to hurt from laughter.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

People: There's a group of people, not everyone here but only a certain group, who are genuine white knights for this game who try and shout down critics of the game, and I don't like them and/or their actions.
Zanarkand: *lumps themselves in with the white knights and injects themselves in* Why are you calling everyone who simply disagrees with you a white knight!!!
People: No, I just meant those guys over ther-
Zanarkand: Why is everyone who disagrees with you a white knight!!!

You do this every time.

I dont Lump myself in, I GET lumped in. I got accused of allowing somebody to get called a Stalker and having double standards.....on a thread I wasn't even apart of.
And...your post looks like your specifically talking about yourself, when there are other people who called me a White knight for disagreeing or having another opinion.
Thats why I keep saying it, because it keeps happening.

[AwesomeJr44]

I dont Lump myself in, I GET lumped in. I got accused of allowing somebody to get called a Stalker and having double standards.....on a thread I wasn't even apart of.
And...your post looks like your specifically talking about yourself, when there are other people who called me a White knight for disagreeing or having another opinion.
Thats why I keep saying it, because it keeps happening.

Zanarkand. Genuine question. Do you WANT to be a victim of something? I ask because it really seems like you're desperate to be the victim of some supposed labeling or whatever. I can't speak for experiences you've had with other posters where I wasn't present, but from what I've seen of you, you nearly always throw yourself into the midst of everything, assume that everyone is talking about you when they clearly aren't, and then claim that you're being lumped into a group you don't belong in. Maybe you actually have been falsely accused of something in another thread, but at this point it's the Zanarkand that cried wolf situation. I just can't believe you because you've lumped yourself into things so many times.

Could you tell me what they promise and didn't implement? Might i could more agree with you if i got some more info but this is just not cool bro

Additional unique Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles, additional egi-glamours, and an epic conclusion to the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga. Not to mention that we were told we were never getting private housing and we did. (Not that I have a problem with that particular one)

EDIT: Actually, weren't we promised that we wouldn't need to keep a sub up to keep our houses? Sure, the housing demo is off right now because of the Ukraine, but what happened to not needed a sub?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Zanarkand. Genuine question. Do you WANT to be a victim of something? I ask because it really seems like you're desperate to be the victim of some supposed labeling or whatever. I can't speak for experiences you've had with other posters where I wasn't present, but from what I've seen of you, you nearly always throw yourself into the midst of everything, assume that everyone is talking about you when they clearly aren't, and then claim that you're being lumped into a group you don't belong in. Maybe you actually have been falsely accused of something in another thread, but at this point it's the Zanarkand that cried wolf situation. I just can't believe you because you've lumped yourself into things so many times.

I really dont rofl. But if Im disagreeing with aveyond, or whoever who posts something, then somebody makes a vague jab or comment at people disagreeing with Aveyond, its not farfetched to think Im apart of that. Or the mentioned accusation in another thread about having double standards.
But also I need to ask...what am I the Victim of in this instance?

Because Im just talking about threads become "us vs them" And how there are alot of instances where people just get labeled for disagreeing.
This isn't limited to me...so Im really not sure what you are talking about with me being/trying to be a Victim

[AwesomeJr44]

I really dont rofl. But if Im disagreeing with aveyond, or whoever who posts something, then somebody makes a vague jab or comment at people disagreeing with Aveyond, its not farfetched to think Im apart of that. Or the mentioned accusation in another thread about having double standards.

Happened in the other thread too, where I said that certain people were using a double standard. You inserted yourself in, I told you clearly that I wasn't talking about you (multiple times might I add), and you still insisted that you were being lumped into a us vs. them situation. So sorry, I don't believe that elsewhere you are genuinely getting lumped into groups you don't belong in/labeled by other posters. I can't believe you because you do it to yourself so much.

ff is really subjective for you the Story was undwhelimg, for me it was a Triple A Cinematic

And yet it reeks of a low budget. We didn't even get to see the fight between Zodiark and Hydaelyn, nor the sundering itself. Which you know, is kinda important in the finale of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc. All we got was people standing in circles talking to each other.

FFXIV is becoming the Golden-child of MMO, which is bad news for the playerbase.

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Beyond Reproach: Such that no criticism can be made; perfect.

We've already arrived there.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Happened in the other thread too, where I said that certain people were using a double standard. You inserted yourself in, I told you clearly that I wasn't talking about you (multiple times might I add), and you still insisted that you were being lumped into a us vs. them situation. So sorry, I don't believe that elsewhere you are genuinely getting lumped into groups you don't belong in/labeled by other posters. I can't believe you because you do it to yourself so much.

That picture doesnt really make sense....again, you make it sound like you're the only one, when there are multiple people.
I didnt lump myself in with the crowd and then get mad at you.

Also....know what...Can you provide a quote of the interaction? Because now Im getting the idea that maybe things are being misunderstood.
Maybe one or both of us arnt being as clear as possible, or intentions are just not understood.

[SetsunaSakura]

Additional unique Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles, additional egi-glamours, and an epic conclusion to the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga. Not to mention that we were told we were never getting private housing and we did. (Not that I have a problem with that particular one)

For the hairstyles it really sucks for those race players i totally agree, yesterday i created a hrothgar and well it's plenty nothing, but maybe we get with the graphic updates more styles but we can't really know that. Maybe they're in trouble for fem Hrothgars and wait for those updates now to get that fixed aswell, but just my speculation.

Additional egi glamours... hmmm now Summoner got a whole rework and that's why they didn't implement more, but didn't see or can't remember he told us that we get addional egi glams, cause of the whole rework.

Guess for the Arc ending, for me it was really epic, but you could tell me what wasn't epic, early Mr. Z.?

And well we got private housing like you mentioned.

Some stuff is really subjective for you the Story was underwhelming, for me it was a Triple A Cinematic

And yet it reeks of a low budget. We didn't even get to see the fight between Zodiark and Hydaelyn, nor the sundering itself. Which you know, is kinda important in the finale of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc. All we got was people standing in circles talking to each other.

He got "revived" in an early state and wasn't a danger for us, but i see what you mean and yeah would be really epic to see them fight, but don't think how the story lead us isn't that bad, but just only my Opinion, and i guess we run in circles if we discuss that now

[Midareyukki]

For the hairstyles it really sucks for those race players i totally agree, yesterday i created a hrothgar and well it's plenty nothing, but maybe we get with the graphic updates more styles but we can't really know that. Maybe they're in trouble for fem Hrothgars and wait for those updates now to get that fixed aswell, but just my speculation.

That'd be fine but keep in mind you're gonna wait a while. The update is coming in batches, and Hrothgar aren't included in the first one. It seems it's going to be only for the ARR races.

And I wouldn't put so much hope for Femgars to come with updates for us either. Male Viera didn't come with fixes for Female Viera, and those had a lot more vocal fan support.

He got "revived" in an early state and wasn't a danger for us, but i see what you mean and yeah would be really epic to see them fight, but don't think how the story lead us isn't that bad, but just only my Opinion, and i guess we run in circles if we discuss that now

In fairness, that one I blame them for being too secretive about Meteion. They overhyped the logo and the Amano artwork of Hydaelyn and Zodiark. Meaning expectations were too high for those two to be relegated to done-and-done deals and pave the way for the Endsinger.

At this point people like to complain. I find it immature. If I don't like something I just don't do the thing. If I dislike a lot of things then I just play something else.

What if you like something, but understand it can be improved upon and provide feedback on it?