Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
Summons have to have different effects to not feel the same and if the problem is running out of summons to hit on CD then stack spell speed to decrease the CD on B/P. Once B/P leave the field they only have a 38 second CD with my current SpS(1989).

Whenever I get a couple pieces of tome gear and with food you can reach around 2200 and can probably get the CD down to 35 seconds probably.

If you don't really stack spellspeed the base CD on Demi summons is 45 seconds roughly.

Lvl 90 content it's very rare for Ruin 3 to be used in any situation for me.

Only time I'd consider Ruin 3 is maybe during Titan for a 1-2-3 of R3 > Topaz > Mountain Buster.

If I want to forego Slipstream for any reason I could see Ruin 3 > Emerald Rite spam too.
I spam Ruin III before Ego Death in P8S second boss. Because there is no extra Demi Summon if I don't hold. My group deals too much DPS. I sure would like to be able tyo do more than Ruin III or having to get a complete separate BiS to be pepefast Summoner.


Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
More or less my thinking as well.

The Demis hit harder than the Primals overall. So using if a fight, say, had an untargetable phase at the 2:10 mark, most Jobs will push their overall burst until the boss comes back to the arena. SMN's option is Bahamut, trio, Phoenix, trio then either a Bahamut that will be clipped (and then the SMN be desynced from raid buffs the rest of the fight) OR 10 seconds/4 casts of Ruin 3 spam. Neither of which feels great.
I mean, unless I'm wrong of I've typed it wrongly, this is exactly what I've mentioned for a solution.

Another solution is to fix Ifrit's damage? No way he should be doing less firepower than Titan with all the caveats he has versus Titan.