PVP PLD Cheese Problem

[zabu]

PvP stands for player versus player. You're fighting other players. There's nothing casual about it, but it's really not that hard to stay with your group and fight the enemy and observe objectives. It can be a lot of fun, if people pay the slightest bit of attention.

All it really takes is one person doing callouts and then the rest of the team paying attention and having their map open to see the objectives. There are plenty of guides out there if people need them. There's very little to learn compared to any extreme or savage.

Did you think 24 people will always listen to you? Did you ever go into jail or yelling at you "You did not pay for my subscription" while you are doing call out?
Organized 8 people in extreme/savage/ultimate is not easy already. Will 24 random people be easier? Especially some people do not even care about it.
PVP has more to learn than any PVE content. PVE is scripted, but PVP is not. Players do move, is dynamic environment. You need not only the skill for the class you are playing, you also need to know what other class has, what should you do in what conditions, map awareness (even though so many people do not open maps), teamwork, targeting, prediction, time management and more.

[Deveryn]

Did you think 24 people will always listen to you? Did you ever go into jail or yelling at you "You did not pay for my subscription" while you are doing call out?
Organized 8 people in extreme/savage/ultimate is not easy already. Will 24 random people be easier? Especially some people do not even care about it.
PVP has more to learn than any PVE content. PVE is scripted, but PVP is not. Players do move, is dynamic environment. You need not only the skill for the class you are playing, you also need to know what other class has, what should you do in what conditions, map awareness (even though so many people do not open maps), teamwork, targeting, prediction, time management and more.

Yes to both. Note that I said it was easy for people to follow along, not to get them to follow along.
Getting yelled at or not being listened to is fairly common, but there are those that appreciate it, especially when we win.

[Saraide]

Yes to both. Note that I said it was easy for people to follow along, not to get them to follow along.
Getting yelled at or not being listened to is fairly common, but there are those that appreciate it, especially when we win.

This is probably also a good time to mention that if someone does callouts, you should probably follow them if you dont have anything smarter to do. A bad call can still work out well if everyone commits to it but a call no one commits to will always fail.

[LianaThorne]

Did you think 24 people will always listen to you? Did you ever go into jail or yelling at you "You did not pay for my subscription" while you are doing call out?
Organized 8 people in extreme/savage/ultimate is not easy already. Will 24 random people be easier? Especially some people do not even care about it.
PVP has more to learn than any PVE content. PVE is scripted, but PVP is not. Players do move, is dynamic environment. You need not only the skill for the class you are playing, you also need to know what other class has, what should you do in what conditions, map awareness (even though so many people do not open maps), teamwork, targeting, prediction, time management and more.

If you do good calls then yeah, people will listen. I do them for Onsal, Secure and sometimes Seal Rock. You also don't need to know all of what you listed to do good calls in pvp, just awarenesss of where your team is and closest objectives to hit based on priority. Throw in knowing when is a good time to pinch the leading team and you're set. The vast majority of my calls based on that have led to wins.