Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
cont.d:
And in this metaphor Yoshi-p and co are the judges going "Yeah one or two of the teams are just using their legs to run, but we decided using a motorbike is not against the rules so gg."
The cheese has a tendency to work, and not get countered. So if two approximately equally skilled teams clash, the one that also abuses pld the hardest comes out on top. And though our mileage may vary, I've rarely seen a third team being involved making much of a difference. Oftentimes because of simply poor decisions from one or two of the non-cheesing teams.
And I've rarely, if even ever, seen anyone trying to rally people through /a chat and coming up with strategies actually being listened to.
Maybe the US and EU server are just different in that regard though, I wouldn't know.

I guess what I'm trying to say with my nonsensical rambling is:
The cheese is a distasteful, unsportsmanlike, cheap, gimmicky, boring, and just thoroughly unlikeable mechanic that makes the game worse.
It has counters, but setting up those counters is a complicated, tedious chore that is almost guaranteed not to work with a group of randoms (anecdotally).
It can be botched, but I suspect that most cheesers work in coordinated teams of at least 2 people because I've seen it succeed almost unfailingly for entire days on end (gf was farming for 100 win mount, thank GOD she got it recently).
It can be made irrelevant by being incredibly superior in terms of battle prowess, but this requires your team (or both other teams if only one team is cheesing and they both pick up on it and get ticked off by it) to consist of better players than the cheesers. And even then, a bad team can get carried, or semi-carried at the very least, by this abuse. As previously stated I've seen teams just absolutely slingshot their way from a losing position to casually strolling through victory through suddenly hardcore cheesing with 6-7 paladins on their team.

TL;DR:
Unfun garbage. Not entering Onsal again. Bai. But thank you for the civil discussion.
I strongly agree on your statement. You can not expect random people try to set up some counter on some organized stuff. Just like PVE content, static vs party finder in savage or ultimate.
As I said, in my yesterday's onsal run, 6 PLD with tank lb, rush in. What can a bunch of random people do?
Based on SE's philosophy, we can play any class we want. But what now? we have to play something that counter the class?
This is just like the drama on PLD and WAR in P8S.

I will not play frontline until this stupid changes make, and strongly opposed on the current pvp skill system.