MSQ question

[Rhaggnos]

I do find the simple mindedness of some people fascinating. Just imagine going to the past and just stabbing someone that has yet to commit any evil. I really doubt people would give you a pat in the back or consider it a heroic action. You are definitely going to get caught and treated like a common murderer.

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All in all, making a power fantasy story is easy. Balancing a power fantasy with good storytelling is much more difficult, and I think the team is doing a competent work at it. We can like the story more or we can like it less, but I think the story makes sense and was enjoyable, so I can't say I have major complains about it (except for a couple of choices in the script, but that's an entirely different conversation).

Justify it as you may, there are too many artifices shoe-horned in tbh.

For instance, Emet-Selch saw the convergence immediately, and even mentions that when MC and Hyathlo walk to the fake one. Yet instead of cutting short Hermes' interminable speech, snapping his fingers and jumping out, he simply allows himself to be memory-wiped.

Too many forced instances of "oh no, artificial problem" caused by gawking inaction.

Another one: as soon as you realize the emotions connection, and see that Meteion's report WILL break his mind, have 2 ppl constrain or distract Hermes instead of allowing the weak, traumatized nutcase to join you in receiving his fix of predictable PTSD. Then deal with how you will inform him and give him back his pet later.

It's less about the power fantasy and more about practicality. Time travel can never be done well, btw, because there are no ground rules. Are we dealing with multiple timelines? Can they split? Will they converge (as Hydaelin mentions later)? If events are unafected by it, how come they mention having seen you in the future, implying you were present in the original events that made you go back to begin with?

I don't take much issue with the storytelling itself, just the way they force events in nonsensical interactions sometimes.

Hell, I'd be fine with having Thancred backstab someone and deal with it. Not about power fantasy, more about don't waste my time.

And to be fair, most of my frustration is due to the endless running around nature of the quests. Every single one just moves the goal off a little 4 or 5 times before you have any meaningful interaction or can turn them in, and most dont have the decency to offer any combat in between. I feel like a trans-dimensional mail man...

[Kes13a]

Justify it as you may, there are too many artifices shoe-horned in tbh.

For instance, Emet-Selch saw the convergence immediately, and even mentions that when MC and Hyathlo walk to the fake one. Yet instead of cutting short Hermes' interminable speech, snapping his fingers and jumping out, he simply allows himself to be memory-wiped.

sorry to burst your bubble.. but have you REALLY thought this through?

lets say we do your little trick of just preventing the wipe and everything from happening.

where is the justification for your existence? there is none. at all. the ancients would fix their issue, or not, but it is highly improbable at that point that a "warrior of light" would ever be created or needed.

I can see it now... partway through endwalker, SE Yoshi and the team, put up a screen saying.. "thanks for playing Final Fantasy 14, but the world you were in and helped created is gone. have a great day, see you in the future..."

[PawPaw]

Justify it as you may, there are too many artifices shoe-horned in tbh.

For instance, Emet-Selch saw the convergence immediately, and even mentions that when MC and Hyathlo walk to the fake one. Yet instead of cutting short Hermes' interminable speech, snapping his fingers and jumping out, he simply allows himself to be memory-wiped.

I have to admit, I spent a long time laughing about this one. He breaks open the convergence and instead of snapping his magic horse into existence, grabbing Hythlo and exiting promptly; he decides it would be a better use of his time to give us a rousing parting speech complete with a sad smile and a wistfully waving Hyth. All while just watching us ride our sparkly puppies across the entire arena over to the convergence. These are people who can teleport as easily as they breathe. But no, it definitely made much more sense for them to just stand there like idiots and let their memories get wiped. There was absolutely no way they could have escaped that. No chance. /eyeroll

The memory wiping contrivance was...silly, but at the least give me a believable reason as to why these two wouldn't have booked it out of there with us instead of just standing around like powerless fools.

[Iscah]

The other thing to keep in mind is that our primary goal in travelling to the past was to witness what did happen there so we could fix it in the present. If we had changed it to be something else (and if we had the knowledge of what to change in the first place) then we would no longer be seeing the events that led to our present, and the knowledge would not be useful to us.

Alternately, if we did go back in the time with the mentality that "Hermes will cause all our present-day problems, so we should kill Hermes in the past to fix it", it would probably have to turn out that Hermes wasn't the problem after all and actually when Elidibus sent us to talk to him, he was unaware of the fact that shortly before the Final Days, Hermes was murdered by a mysterious assailant and someone else was elected to his position, and that person ended up being the one we were dealing with in the present day.

[Saraide]

It is doubtful that it would change anything relating to the first final days as by the time you get there, hermes had already sent out all the sisters. They had already found every dead planet. Even if you could have stopped the final days from ever starting, it would not have mattered for the timeline you came from. You would have just created an alternative timeline. Additionally, non of the other ancients would have allowed you to kill hermes. Doing that would also have doomed that timeline as his knowledge over the celestial currents allowed the ancients to shroud the planet with the help of zodiark.

[Kaurhz]

Something like -- "The future to which you must return, must exist as a result of the Final Days"

Besides, as has been highlighted the sisters or network had already been scattered, so more than likely too late by then, and the exact course of events wouldn't really have been known to us.

That being said, I found the story very predictable, personally. But I 'disconnected' myself from the predictability of it all, and just enjoyed the story for what it was. Taking the predictability away from it all made the lopporitz a very alluring prospect, had it been an avenue they remained towards.

[CKNovel]

Anyone else annoyed with the whole Meteion arc of quests?

If being strictly pragmatic, would decapitating Meteion and Hermes on sight in Elpis prevent the Final Days from triggering and get it over with?

Yes I'm annoyed by all of Elpis but for different reasons.

No it wouldn't prevent anything. Meteion is a network of birds in the cosmos.
It's as smart as smashing an axe on a computer to kill TikTok.

On top of that, "our" Meteion has been our only access to the Nest and the Endsinger.
Because we didn't axed our Meteion computer we could manage to hack TikTok to delete it from the inside.
Additionally, Meteion is helping restoring the lost stars.

I know you really crave for violent ending, but a main character that solves everything through violence and sheer force is truly boring.

[Ravor]

Add to that the fact that our silent protagonist just stands there 5m away as people get murdered in Not-India... it's entirely too frustrating how cliché and contrived the story has been so far ^^

I just wish they specifically chaange this event a little, make it that we are being blocked by 3 or 4 other monster or even 1 other monster which make it seems like we are too busy or being blocked to go for the rescue......

[Rhaggnos]

I just wish they specifically chaange this event a little, make it that we are being blocked by 3 or 4 other monster or even 1 other monster which make it seems like we are too busy or being blocked to go for the rescue......

Yeah. I'm sitting there like "Sure, it's not like can instantly summon a miniature Primal Bahamut and snap that insignificant beast like twig or anything. Or merge with the voidsent and cleave it in half like Zenos. Or Fire IV it from Egypt." etc...

[Atelier-Bagur]

sorry to burst your bubble.. but have you REALLY thought this through?

lets say we do your little trick of just preventing the wipe and everything from happening.

where is the justification for your existence? there is none. at all. the ancients would fix their issue, or not, but it is highly improbable at that point that a "warrior of light" would ever be created or needed.

I can see it now... partway through endwalker, SE Yoshi and the team, put up a screen saying.. "thanks for playing Final Fantasy 14, but the world you were in and helped created is gone. have a great day, see you in the future..."

"But the future to refused to change"