Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[Firon]

Hey guys the other day i triple melded 3 tier 2 materia for my blm wand, am i a skilled player now?

Edit: Then i dbl melded 2 tier 4 str materia to my gloves then 2 tier 3 int materia for my blm hat(2 of them) am i Really skilled now? This was all on first tries I must be the most skilled person in the game

[Asiaine]

triple melded 3 tier 2 materia ....

Edit: Then i dbl melded 2 tier 4 str materia ...

If by 'triple' melded '3' tier 2 materia you meant you put on 9 materia, then you are super douper skilled player.
If by 'triple' melded '3' tier 2 materia you meant you put on 3 materia, then you are just highly skilled player.


What we must fear:
Congratulations, we have raised limit to 60. AND you can upgrade your weapon to 60. Just add a third materia to it. If it blows up, start again from scratch.


Unless......................................
Direction, Time of Day, Moon Phase, Weather Condition, Location, and equipping lucky dice DO increase your chance of melding? (IN addition of course to having a taru dance behind you whilst you attempt it). And it is the SKILLED player that realizes this?

Randomization: How to make 15 minute content last 15 hours.

[Jinko]

Hey guys the other day i triple melded 3 tier 2 materia for my blm wand, am i a skilled player now?

Edit: Then i dbl melded 2 tier 4 str materia to my gloves then 2 tier 3 int materia for my blm hat(2 of them) am i Really skilled now? This was all on first tries I must be the most skilled person in the game

... hmmmm.. ok i won't say it >.>

[Firon]

... hmmmm.. ok i won't say it >.>

thanks jinko >_>

[Kiara]

Hi All,

Just wanted to post my results from an entire weekend of grinding Hamlet Defense. I'll post 2 sets of results - one for the individual (myself), and one for what the party got (8 people):

*** 25 Hamlet Defense Victories ***
[3 Victories were Gold Chest = 50,000+ Points (due to some minor mixups, we just fell short of the Best Chest]
[22 Victories were "Highest Rated Coffer" / Best Chest = 65,000+ Points every time]

* My Progress / Results *

• 0 (ZERO) Primal Seals = 0 / 25 [<-- Demoralizing, ZERO Progress Toward Relics]
• 2 Militia Hats, 3 Militia Barbuts, 2 Militia Armets, 2 Militia Gauntlets

* Entire Party Progress / Results *

• 5 Primal Seals = 5 / 200 [Note: 8 People's Individual Chances * 25 Runs]
• At least 1 Militia Hat, Barbut, Armet for every single 65,000+ run we did. 4 Militia Gauntlets, 1 Militia Caligae.

And that's an example of the "wonderful" Random Number Generator at work. I'm glad to hear some people getting Primal Seals "all the time," but for the groups I ran with, it was simply DEMORALIZING and mind-numbing.

It got so bad, that 2 separate JP people during the weekend runs with me created Party Chat Macros (with hilarious JP ASCII Faces laughing at essentially "Yet ANOTHER Militia Hat / Barbut / Armet again?!" dropping).

So "yes" the new 60,000 Best Chest in Hamlet does have a 100% Guaranteed Drop... except it's of a Militia Barbut, Hat or Armet (depending on the Hamlet you go to). They're becoming more ubiquitous than the dreaded Cutter's Cry Thormoen's Subligar. It's certainly *not* a Primal Seal.

One of the JP people I was running with has been a Top 20 Contributor multiple times since Seals were added and through this weekend? 0 (ZERO) Primal Seals earned.

And yet we have people having gotten their Soiled Promissory Note (9 Primal Seals) already done.

How is any of this "skilled" or motivating or even fun?

It's not.

As others have said, I'd rather Yoshida-san measure out whatever amount of time he wanted to keep the average player busy and divide that up amongst # of runs and please give us *Consistent Measurable Progress* each time we continue on the Relic Quest.

I'd rather it be, for example,

* Prove Your Valor: Defend the outlying Hamlets from Beastmen Forces 200 Times (Earn 200 "Militia Totems") [And EVERYONE gets a 100% chance to get 1 Militia Totem each Victory.]

Instead of the Random Number Generator we have now.

I suppose if you run with a Static Party each time, you'd just give all the Seals to one person (leader) and then another and another and get it that way.

But it's just brutal for those of us NOT on the side of the Lucky Dice Roll.

In closing again, we're NOT asking for anything to be "easy" or "faster":

We just want a system with more Consistent, Measurable Progress (like a Totem / Point System) that recognizes EVERYONE'S effort for each Victory they attain.

And ideally, steps to the Relic that actually reward more Skill / Effort / Grant Interesting Challenges, than just forcing players to Double Meld Materia, or run Hamlet Defense ad nauseum.

Thanks~

[Req]

Hi All,

Just wanted to post my results from an entire weekend of grinding Hamlet Defense. I'll post 2 sets of results - one for the individual (myself), and one for what the party got (8 people):

*** 25 Hamlet Defense Victories ***
[3 Victories were Gold Chest = 50,000+ Points (due to some minor mixups, we just fell short of the Best Chest]
[22 Victories were "Highest Rated Coffer" / Best Chest = 65,000+ Points every time]

* My Progress / Results *

• 0 (ZERO) Primal Seals = 0 / 25 [<-- Demoralizing, ZERO Progress Toward Relics]
• 2 Militia Hats, 3 Militia Barbuts, 2 Militia Armets, 2 Militia Gauntlets

* Entire Party Progress / Results *

• 5 Primal Seals = 5 / 200 [Note: 8 People's Individual Chances * 25 Runs]
• At least 1 Militia Hat, Barbut, Armet for every single 65,000+ run we did. 4 Militia Gauntlets, 1 Militia Caligae.

And that's an example of the "wonderful" Random Number Generator at work. I'm glad to hear some people getting Primal Seals "all the time," but for the groups I ran with, it was simply DEMORALIZING and mind-numbing.

It got so bad, that 2 separate JP people during the weekend runs with me created Party Chat Macros (with hilarious JP ASCII Faces laughing at essentially "Yet ANOTHER Militia Hat / Barbut / Armet again?!" dropping).

So "yes" the new 60,000 Best Chest in Hamlet does have a 100% Guaranteed Drop... except it's of a Militia Barbut, Hat or Armet (depending on the Hamlet you go to). They're becoming more ubiquitous than the dreaded Cutter's Cry Thormoen's Subligar. It's certainly *not* a Primal Seal.

One of the JP people I was running with has been a Top 20 Contributor multiple times since Seals were added and through this weekend? 0 (ZERO) Primal Seals earned.

And yet we have people having gotten their Soiled Promissory Note (9 Primal Seals) already done.

How is any of this "skilled" or motivating or even fun?

It's not.

As others have said, I'd rather Yoshida-san measure out whatever amount of time he wanted to keep the average player busy and divide that up amongst # of runs and please give us *Consistent Measurable Progress* each time we continue on the Relic Quest.

I'd rather it be, for example,

* Prove Your Valor: Defend the outlying Hamlets from Beastmen Forces 200 Times (Earn 200 "Militia Totems") [And EVERYONE gets a 100% chance to get 1 Militia Totem each Victory.]

Instead of the Random Number Generator we have now.

I suppose if you run with a Static Party each time, you'd just give all the Seals to one person (leader) and then another and another and get it that way.

But it's just brutal for those of us NOT on the side of the Lucky Dice Roll.

In closing again, we're NOT asking for anything to be "easy" or "faster":

We just want a system with more Consistent, Measurable Progress (like a Totem / Point System) that recognizes EVERYONE'S effort for each Victory they attain.

And ideally, steps to the Relic that actually reward more Skill / Effort / Grant Interesting Challenges, than just forcing players to Double Meld Materia, or run Hamlet Defense ad nauseum.

Thanks~

Damn, thats just really unlucky. I did hamlets all weekend with my ls, we probably did around 50 runs total and we have one person with 8/9 seals and everyone else that went has around 2-3. Not to mention we got a fishing hat and a diggers to drop. I was in the top 20 each time and I personally only got 3 (all from aleport) but I am satisfied with the drop rate in general. As far as I could tell we would get a seal about 75% of the time, and came out of each hamlet with over 10 seals for each one spread across different people.

[Sigmakan]

This is a somewhat related thought. The whole needing 3mil to hit level2 is kinda dumb. You're locking out content for the majority of the week because of some stupid convoluted game mechanism. I get that they want to make DoL/DoH important part of this by contributing Militia items, but people are still going to be fighting over top20 (assuming its Lv2) so there will always be a need for that. Not getting level2 really hurts Hamlet, as it makes it pointless for that 25 hour span. Just lower the Lv2 requirement to 1mil so people can start working on their seals everyday of the week. Not everyone has time to marathon through a weekend to get seals.
/endrant

Oh Kiara, the chest is shared amongst everyone, its not an individual chest. So as a group you guys went 5/25 (which is about average). Sucks that none fell to you :/ Did the seal drop rate seem higher for 60k+ runs?

[Kiara]

This is a somewhat related thought. The whole needing 3mil to hit level2 is kinda dumb. You're locking out content for the majority of the week because of some stupid convoluted game mechanism. I get that they want to make DoL/DoH important part of this by contributing Militia items, but people are still going to be fighting over top20 (assuming its Lv2) so there will always be a need for that. Not getting level2 really hurts Hamlet, as it makes it pointless for that 25 hour span. Just lower the Lv2 requirement to 1mil so people can start working on their seals everyday of the week. Not everyone has time to marathon through a weekend to get seals.
/endrant

Oh Kiara, the chest is shared amongst everyone, its not an individual chest. So as a group you guys went 5/25 (which is about average). Sucks that none fell to you :/ Did the seal drop rate seem higher for 60k+ runs?

Hi Signakan,

Great point about Hamlet Level 2 contribution. Totally agree. During the week, you can see that people are just busy / realize they might not get enough contributions (or they're fighting to be Top 3 on the weekend) so no one contributes. Which leads to it being pretty empty / wasted during weeknights (at Level 1).

Good point about the chest being shared with everyone. I guess I wanted to present it in light of all 8 People and their Efforts / Rewards / Progress.

It takes 8 people to get in and beat Hamlet with a great score, and even if it's shared, for 8 different people, their results are basically "0" unless the Seal fell for them. So out of 200 Chances for 8 People, only 5 Seals dropped the entire weekend for numerous attempts.

I didn't feel like the Seal Drops were increased for the Special Chest at all. Towards the end of all 3 days, everyone was just throwing away the Militia Barbut / Armet / Hat because everyone had one already.

[Orophin]

Wow, reading over all those steps and actually seeing the stats for the weapons, I kind of don't even want to bother. I know they have to keep us occupied till the end of the year, but damn...

[Molly_Millions]

I'm probably just gonna try to get a triple melded Demi Moore axe and call it a day. This quest is absolutely ridiculous.