Observations From Someone Trying Eureka for the First Time in 2022

[Fawkes]

I read in an online article that Eureka was designed for vets of classic MMORPGs to feel a sense of nostalgia for "the good old days." It's an homage to "preserv[ing] the essence of first generation MMOs." I'm genuinely curious as to whether the devs have given any thought since Eureka's initial launch, whether this is still a good idea. Does the modern player want to play MMOs as they operated back in the "good old days?" Do these systems make good content for the average MMO player in 2022?

Nowadays Eureka exists for fans of old MMOs to be nostalgic about being nostalgic for those old MMOs. "It used to be better".

And no the devs probably don't remember Eureka exists or care if it's fun to do. I don't think you're meant to do it anymore, really. It wasn't designed to be long lasting content. It was just a stopgap timewaster for that expansion.

[Espon]

Eureka was designed to be a lot like FF11, content that many people were requesting at the time, hence why it's so harsh.

I noped out of Eureka when it was current content. I just found the experience horrible. I refuse to touch it until it gets nerfed so hard into the ground that I can steamroll my way through it for glams. And if that never happens I'll just continue to pretend it doesn't exist. Same goes for Bozja.

Except it has been nerfed into the ground as it used to be much more difficult. Before it was nerfed, you were unable to use mounts until max level and there was no massive echo effect to boost your stats. Even fighting enemies that were the same level as you would likely get you killed without a party, and NMs could 1-shot you with almost any attack if you were not a tank.

[Cach]

I had tons of fun on Eureka when it was current. Figuring out what the hell was going on was part of the fun.

I can't imagine going in fresh, even after the nerfs. I will return at some point, because I want to collect all the dyable AF gear.

[Striker44]

I read in an online article that Eureka was designed for vets of classic MMORPGs to feel a sense of nostalgia for "the good old days." It's an homage to "preserv[ing] the essence of first generation MMOs." I'm genuinely curious as to whether the devs have given any thought since Eureka's initial launch, whether this is still a good idea. Does the modern player want to play MMOs as they operated back in the "good old days?" Do these systems make good content for the average MMO player in 2022?

I would think the fact that they modified the approach for Bozja already answers that question. And not everything in a massive game needs to appeal to everyone. It's okay if one particular piece of it is designed primarily for one particular type of player, while another piece is designed for someone else.

[DixieBellOCE]

Expecting changes to eureka is like expecting the Japanese Special Task Force to actually ban bots.

It will never happen.

Not in our lifetime.

Wait until you get to pyros and NM's are impossible due to 50-60 bots scaling the instance to the point where solo play is impossible.

[Symphonyx]

You seriously did this just because I made the comment about comic sans, didn't you? That's hilarious, have a like

Lol, I promise you that it's not because you made that comment in my other post about comic sans.

I just like experimenting with the different fonts.

I didn't even see your comment on that post until after I wrote this one.

But the coincidence is hilarious.

[Symphonyx]

1) Just don't die.
And when you die then ask for a rezz. As long you are not in a empty instance you will find someone is will rezz you.

2) it's about level difference.
Your level 20 friend can't help you to farm level 10 monster. But they can help you spawn NMs and be in your group to kill them.
So, get some people with your level and you will all get the same exp.
Or, in case you are in a instance alone, get a friend and spawn a NM in your level.
Be in party with your high level friend.
Let the friend kill a monster and he has to sync down to the NM Level as soon as his unsynced attack kills it.
NM(Fate trains) are the best level method. Just follow the shouts.

3) that's why they changed it for Bozja.


I personally love Eureka how it is.
I enjoyed playing it during it's release and figuring stuff out.
I like helping friend's to level there and even if it's just a weekly challenge log in Anemos.
It's is not easy done completely alone and that's why many very helpful discord community's exist.

Are there any discords you would recommend for this?
If I could find people to group with at my level, who would help me grind exp, I think that would soften the blow of my first impressions and make it more likely that I'd return.
I do want the demi-ozma mount, so if there are discords that regularly farm fates or create groups for leveling, I'd be willing to give it another shot.

[Symphonyx]

Everyone always says Eureka is tuned for partying up. I took that as a challenge to learn to survive solo. And I enjoyed it in that context. You get the early levels without the exp loss, that gives you time to explore and experiment and learn. Find what you can and can't comfortably do. Learn the enemies, placements, aggro type, etc.

I suspect the crowd that may have enjoyed Eureka the most is the players that enjoy that learning process. Anyone looking to just turn their brain off for a bit is going to have a bad time if they don't first learn when it's safe to do so.

Maybe that's where I went wrong. I went into eureka completely blind, not really knowing anything about it.

But I have spent countless hours in Bozja/Zadnor and enjoy the fact that I can mindlessly grind the things I need to. I went there to level a lot of jobs. So that was the standard I was used to.

But when I went to Eureka, I was met with many hindrances that I feel are unnecessary, and I couldn't be in a party with my friends without some kind of exp penalty (they did stick around to keep me alive though).

[Atelier-Bagur]

Maybe that's where I went wrong. I went into eureka completely blind, not really knowing anything about it.

But I have spent countless hours in Bozja/Zadnor and enjoy the fact that I can mindlessly grind the things I need to. I went there to level a lot of jobs. So that was the standard I was used to.

But when I went to Eureka, I was met with many hindrances that I feel are unnecessary, and I couldn't be in a party with my friends without some kind of exp penalty (they did stick around to keep me alive though).

Yeah I think the exp penalty for partying up with other players at a disproportionate level is kinda bs. They clearly knew it was since they got rid of that mechanic for Bozja but it certainly makes getting friends to do the content with you much difficult.

I wish SE would at least remove that restriction.

[Absimiliard]

Step 1.) Enter Eureka
Step 2.) Attempt to do literally anything
Step 3.) ????
Step 4.) Accomplish nothing because everything is being jacked up by a seemingly infinite swarm of bots.