MNK and DRG: How are they?

[DudeManMcCool]

Monk to me feels solid just not...to out of the norm. Its like Missionary sex, sure its great and always a go to but you want to spice things up. Which they could by probably adding another OGCD or two. Other than that the class feels flashy and stong. Pheonix Dive or w/e its called is super satisfying to pull then obviosly the lvl 90 full Cowling move.

Dragoon is busy enough for me to be entertained but everytime i played it (lately) the button bloat doesnt feel rewarding in how much DPS you pour out, with other classes outright beating me. Also its lvl 90 skill that you get where you get a charge (you need 2 to pull off the move) after every 4 or 5 main button rotation felt VERY UNDERWHELMING. i already am sometimes disappointed by the 3-5 monotounous button push cycle at times and to do that to get a 480? ( i could be wrong) potency attack feels meh. When almost all your other good skills do the same potency or around it except the super dive attack. It just feels meh in feeling awesome and strong as a DRG.

[ZiraZ]

DRG has no button bloat.

[Windwalker]

Mnks are awesome, the only issue i see is the useless Anatman skill.

[Tamaerl]

I find myself a bit nervous about the upcoming DRG rework as well. I find the base rotation to be oddly comforting (I think it's because of the circular pattern it has), but find the OGCs to be a bit jarring. I only hope the rework doesn't mess with the base rotation and instead focuses more on the OGC skills.

[Llynethil]

Monk is the one that needs a rework if you ask me, their combo's start out fine, but become a giant mess and just tedious to maintain later on, it's just a badly designed samurai honestly at this point.

Dragoon doesn't need a rework at all, which is what is just baffling.
With the changes in endwalker, dragoon is fine, its combos make sense and are satisfying to use.

[Ayche]

I love everything about Dragoon except the raidbuffs and self-buff.
I would be fine with just one 2 minute raidbuff to be honest.

[Sparkthor]

My main complain about dragoon is it's like they got two differents rotation with no interaction between them :
- the GCD rotation of 10 weaponskills, 3 in aoe with Wyrmwind thrust addition in EW
- The Jump/Geirgoskul one with Life of the dragon

Also Life of the Dragon feel boring now compared to Reaper's Enshroud, and without copycat it, I think to have a shorter Life of Dragon which change our GCD would be nice (and would be a nice opportunity to have some iconic weapons skills like Ala Morn)

What i would think to be nice :
- Keep the gcd rotation as it is.
- Tide together Spine and Dragon Dive, on 60s cd. Keep jump as it is, maybe put Mirage Dive as a weaker and earlier Wyrmwind thrust
- Keep lance charge, but fuse Battle Litany and Dragon Sight to a more generic party boost -> Something like +10% dommage/crit for self and +5% dommage/crit for party, last 20s (to mimic Lance charge duration), to prevent macro use.
- Having Geirgoskul tide with F&C and Wheeling Thrust -> Like +10 on a bar with Geirgoskul cost 50. Using Geirgoskul would give eyes for Life of the dragon.
- Life of the dragon is now a buff which will let you use specific abilities :
-> A combo : Empowered true/vorpal/full thrust, Drachenlance and Ala Morn as F&C and Wheeling thrust replacement
-> 2 uses of nastrond
-> Stardiver as a finishing weaponskill.
- A tool to have access to Life of the dragon on the opener, like a trait on DragonSight.

This is something i would like to see.