So, what is the hold up on Beastmaster?

[Iscah]

This is so dumb.... Then don't add Lv5 Death? Also, no they're not. Just things you like about BLU, that wouldn't work here.

You're arguing in bad faith, moving on.

It's not automatically "bad faith" just because they see something as necessary for BLU when you consider it optional. Neither are they just talking about that one spell.

It's a question of how many of those "it won't work so we just won't use it" decisions the dev team could make before it stops feeling like their vision of what they want BLU to be.

[Aluja89]

It's not automatically "bad faith" just because they see something as necessary for BLU when you consider it optional. Neither are they just talking about that one spell.

It's a question of how many of those "it won't work so we just won't use it" decisions the dev team could make before it stops feeling like their vision of what they want BLU to be.

Of course it is bad faith. Since when does Thunder apply a DOT? Since when does Blizzard recover mana? These are inherent to only FFXIV, just like XIV's BLU should be.

If it's not bad faith, it's dumb logic.

[Sirren]

Blue Mage should’ve been a normal job - concessions have been made for each job like DRK, RDM, and SMN without making them limited like BLU was. Keeping the job in its current state comes across as little more than a show of stubbornness.

Adding a limited Beastmaster would be…an extension of that and other attitudes that have reared their heads since this game’s short term success following the fall of WoW. Some of us tire being subject to the whims of a certain individual, especially when certain classes are treated special while Blue Mage is left to flounder the way it has since it was added, while others have been ruined at multiple intervals.

I totally agree with this! No More Limited Jobs Please!!!

[aveyond-dreams]

As a continuation of my previous post, I would like to remind others that “Beastmaster” and similar classes have usually been normal in most other mmorpgs. WoW’s beast mastery hunter being one of them.

I’d be fine if this is what we got from Beastmaster. Another limited job would only add more controversy to the game which it would be better off without.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/game/classes/hunter

[Doc_Seraph]

Kupo <3 I could be wrong but I don't think Yoshi is fond of pet classes kupo <3 it just seems that way lol

[Anienai]

So, what is the hold up on Beastmaster?

Perfection takes time.

[Kaliesto]

I've given up on Beastmaster, pretty sure was canned or just not wanted.

Devs. didn't like the pet system I recall?

[Winterfang]

Then it still runs into the same problem listed, you'd have to know certain spells or you'd get kicked from parties instantly.

I double checked and literally nothing is stopping me from going into Aglaia and Pandaemonium Normal without a job stone, meaning I'm missing crucial abilities. I don't think people are going to be as kick happy some bring up, given how the playerbase STILLcoddles high level Sylphie, even up to Endwalker dungeons.
Now, when it comes to something like Extremes, Savages, Ults, and whatever you would classify as stuff with BA/DRs/ and other such content, then yeah some foresight on appropriate spells should be a given. But that is higher end content so it should be a given that if you want to take a job like that into such difficulty, then additional prep time for learning spells is not a heavy price to pay, especially when you're going to be capped at that point and can go back and easily learn spells you potentially missed.

[Packetdancer]

Now, when it comes to something like Extremes, Savages, Ults, and whatever you would classify as stuff with BA/DRs/ and other such content, then yeah some foresight on appropriate spells should be a given. But that is higher end content so it should be a given that if you want to take a job like that into such difficulty, then additional prep time for learning spells is not a heavy price to pay, especially when you're going to be capped at that point and can go back and easily learn spells you potentially missed.

I mean, leaving aside the "you only have Lancet, why are you in Aglaia" complaints that we would inevitably see on these forums eventually, for BLU to be viable in the savage raiding scene, you would have to gut the job. Because at that point it's not about "did you get the spells that are necessary", but rather "why would you bring any other caster".

With Magic Hammer you functionally have a second Addle (since BLU also has normal Addle), meaning they have significant potential raid utility there.

Then let's talk about some of what BLU can do healing-wise. You're in savage and there's a split tankbuster on both tanks...? The unharmed BLU with full HP casts White Wind and boom, both tanks have been healed for 63k health -- it's not quite a double Benediction, but it's pretty damn potent. Plus you've got Angel Whisper... sure, it's on a long cooldown, but one more combat rez is still raid utility.

Exuviation can be basically an AoE version of Esuna... and granted, most debuffs in savage are not cleansable that way, but MAN can you imagine how much in-demand BLU would be for Puppets' Bunker, to be able to instantly wipe away the Paralysis on everyone in a party?

Or let's talk about Avail. Party's about to wipe? Tank invulns, BLU hits Avail to transfer all incoming damage to the tank so they survive the big raidwide, then BLU uses Angel Whisper to rez the healer, who immediately slaps LB3...

Why would you ever bring a black mage into savage if you could bring blue mage with that much party utility?

In order to prevent the party meta from becoming "obviously you need a blue mage for your caster" and people refusing to let other casters in, they'd have to file off all the weird edges and rip out a bunch of the strange or unbalancing spells to make it more in-line with the existing casters... and at that point, you just have a caster who happens to have spells that share names with some enemy attacks.

And that doesn't feel like BLU to me.

And BST would, I suspect, suffer a similar fate if it were made a full job.

[Winterfang]

Why would you ever bring a black mage into savage if you could bring blue mage with that much party utility?

By making it so that BLU doesn't do as much damage as a BLM, so yes some heavy potency nerfs can be expected. Now I'm not so naive that I already don't know that people throw a fit over parsing, and I don't give a moogle's fluff about that all that pointless Drama. Even if BLU was at the bottom, you'd still have people main it either because of design, aesthetics, background lore, ect. So long as it can actually participate and clear content without needing to give up major factors as to what makes it a Blue Mage (Mainly using spells from Monsters), don't see why so many are quick to dismiss it as "Not their Blue Mage" even when, despite it being Limited, it has already needed to make compromises.

And from all those possible scenarios that you listed, yes you're setting up some possibilities of "oh sh--!" moments that they can potentially saved by them. But is, for example, a BLU casting White Wind going to really be needed so long as healers are up and able to use their CD's or other spells in their tool kits so that the Damage Dealing Job (Assuming it would be a DD Job and not something like a chad Magic Tank if it was a real Job) doesn't have to stop doing their role and making the boss cry. Is saving the party from a wipe by using Avail really going to be the make it or break it as to whether or not a group will comfortably beat a boss? Likely not. It could happen, and I'm not going to say it shouldn't happen, but it's not something that convinces me that it needs to be limited. If something like White Wind is such an issue, then make some changes like a very very small CD (So you can't entirely spam it during parts where the boss is away and just pounding on the arena, and other scenarios similar to it) or increase the mana costs.