This is what i call BULLCRAP

[grinkdaboy]

i think they might have been grandfathered in

[TheMightyMollusk]

They can't be grandfathered like that in Empyreum. It didn't exist under the old system.

[Avoidy]

whoa crazy, ff14 housing leading to toxicity and spiteful petty bs
never seen that before!

[TheMightyMollusk]

Player housing was a mistake.

[Mimilu]

Player housing was a mistake.

I own a small, personal house and I think this sometimes. ｡ﾟ(TヮT)ﾟ｡
To add, it was also a mistake to add ways to monetize FCs with airships and submarines.

[Stormpeaks]

I own a small, personal house and I think this sometimes. ｡ﾟ(TヮT)ﾟ｡
To add, it was also a mistake to add ways to monetize FCs with airships and submarines.

This is the biggest issue, remove submarines or nerf them to oblivion, and multiowners will go poof, at least those who's only intent is to make gil out of houses. There is an extremely tiny minority of people like me who just enjoy housing as their main activity but the numbers are so small it wouldnt matter, 99% of multiowners have multiple houses for submarines.

Ill intent is not a requirement. Its just using something in a way it is not intended. And even without ill intent, abuse can still be a problem. Just because its possible and from your perspective doesnt harm anyone does not mean you should do it (in traffic we see this too often).

A lot of exploits in single player games are still 'abusing a system'. Even if that can just improve the quality of a game and you arent hurting anyone with it.

But the issue is not about 'now', its about the future. Those wards can slowly fill up, but once that happens. Your FC house in which you are the only owner is now a problem because you abused the system.

Hence you are part of the problem.

As I said above, in the case of EU, the wards are not filling up at all, at least in empy, there are so many plots available still after 15 lottery rounds, hundreds of smalls are still available and a few mediums.

[UkcsAlias]

As I said above, in the case of EU, the wards are not filling up at all, at least in empy, there are so many plots available still after 15 lottery rounds, hundreds of smalls are still available and a few mediums.

All personal wards are full with maybe a few free houses that opened up. The reason empy isnt is because luckily most people arent egoistic and make a shell FC just for a house (or they simply cant). The other wards are full because they were already occupied before the lottery system.

While FC wards arent full, that doesnt mean you should take them as individual. These wards should be moved towards the individual pool instead. Now you might think you are just a single person on that, but you arent. It can easily be several wards worth of players thinking that way. And those players together probably caused only ward 10 and onward to be moved to the individual pool isntead of ward 7 and onward. Therefor denying a lot of players an equal chance.

Your greed is therefor part of the issue by not accepting equal chances. You actively exploited the system for own greed and disrupted the chances for others (you think you didnt, but you did). The amount of lottery cycles is irrelevant since SE had to act on that information, but because of your greed (and of many others) could reliably do so. Those cycles are needed to finetune the system. Those wards that are not filling up should have been moved to the individual pool, rather than individuals exploiting the system, and only then should you have tried to go for a house with equal chances. And now because they are fuller than what they should have been, that moving takes even longer.

So on that, my solution would actualy be the proper one. And if that results you into getting kicked out (or forced into paying 3 more subscriptions), it is even a well deserved punishment for exploiting the system. You actively have disrupted legit bidders from getting a bigger pool of houses.

[Stormpeaks]

All personal wards are full with maybe a few free houses that opened up. The reason empy isnt is because luckily most people arent egoistic and make a shell FC just for a house (or they simply cant). The other wards are full because they were already occupied before the lottery system.

While FC wards arent full, that doesnt mean you should take them as individual. These wards should be moved towards the individual pool instead. Now you might think you are just a single person on that, but you arent. It can easily be several wards worth of players thinking that way. And those players together probably caused only ward 10 and onward to be moved to the individual pool isntead of ward 7 and onward. Therefor denying a lot of players an equal chance.

Your greed is therefor part of the issue by not accepting equal chances. You actively exploited the system for own greed and disrupted the chances for others (you think you didnt, but you did). The amount of lottery cycles is irrelevant since SE had to act on that information, but because of your greed (and of many others) could reliably do so. Those cycles are needed to finetune the system. Those wards that are not filling up should have been moved to the individual pool, rather than individuals exploiting the system, and only then should you have tried to go for a house with equal chances. And now because they are fuller than what they should have been, that moving takes even longer.

So on that, my solution would actualy be the proper one. And if that results you into getting kicked out (or forced into paying 3 more subscriptions), it is even a well deserved punishment for exploiting the system. You actively have disrupted legit bidders from getting a bigger pool of houses.

There are no legit bidders on those empy houses, who is disturbed then ? People dont want them because they are small houses, I am strictly talking about FC housing, not personal, lets not mix both. And more personal housing was already opened a while ago, it wont go any further else fcs would have no housing at all left and everything would fill in a single round due to the lack of personal housing.

https://imgur.com/a/5v2iT3P

This is for a single ward only which is ward 3, on one of the most popular EU world which is Ragnarok (yours)

Tell me again who the legit bidders are that I am blocking from getting a house ?

https://imgur.com/a/qfcrvEL

This is ward 4, and the list for ward 4 goes down even further after that down to plot 59.

I could go on, but the point is made.

[TwistedTea]

This is the biggest issue, remove submarines or nerf them to oblivion, and multiowners will go poof, at least those who's only intent is to make gil out of houses. There is an extremely tiny minority of people like me who just enjoy housing as their main activity but the numbers are so small it wouldnt matter, 99% of multiowners have multiple houses for submarines.

Please provide stats to back this claim.

Multi house owners with submarine shacks are a minority among multi house owners:
https://xivhousing.com/

The website scraped data directly from the Lodestone up to July 2022

For the sake of this discussion, going to go with the erroneous assumption that every solo FC house is a submarine shack. Using my server, Coeurl as an example, there are 91 solo FC houses.

Even if we bump up the assumption to every FC house with 1 to 3 members is a submarine shack - that's only 215 FC houses.

There are plenty of FC houses across regions which don't even have a workshop built.

Go check out the housing discords as well and observe how many of the multi house owners are popular house designers across the different regions.

[Shibi]

Well done OF

This thread is becoming more unhinged than the one about male only FCs.