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  1. #461
    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Spend 5 seconds looking at PF's...Also, the gap wouldn't change anything. With your "balance" the DNC and BRD would still be doing more DPS while also bringing raid utility. Nothing changes. MCH either needs to go back to being a support job or they need to make it a proper DPS and have its DPS within range of SAM and BLM.
    Nope, your claim your burden of proof, hop to. And you've brought the "utility" up before. Curing Waltz, Minne, etc aren't real factors here
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Also I have gone into multiple reasons why. You should actually read the posts in your own topic
    Where? Link to these multiple reasons of great detail why DNC is objectively harder to play than MCH. Simply saying "Closed position changes and react to RNG" is not multiple reasons in great detail, because both of those reasons are overwhelming more easy to manage than MCH's core rotation. You've made the claim that DNC is more difficult than MCH therefore should do more damage, so Occam's razor shows burden of proof is on you.
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    Last edited by Mithron; 10-08-2022 at 10:58 AM.

  3. #463
    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Where? Link to these multiple reasons of great detail why DNC is objectively harder to play than MCH. Simply saying "Closed position changes and react to RNG" is not multiple reasons in great detail, because both of those reasons are overwhelming more easy to manage than MCH's core rotation. You've made the claim that DNC is more difficult than MCH therefore should do more damage, so Occam's razor shows burden of proof is on you.
    Imagine not reading your own topic. Yikes
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  4. #464
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Nope, your claim your burden of proof, hop to. And you've brought the "utility" up before. Curing Waltz, Minne, etc aren't real factors here
    Dance partner makes a huge difference as do the brd songs...I don't think you realize just how beneficial their buffs are and you also don't understand basic logic either. I'm not going to bring a MCH into my party if it does less damage and brings no raid buffs and pretty much EVERY raider has this exact same mind set. Its why meta's exist and its why this dev team has gone so fair to remove metas and trying to make everyone viable to prevent things like double brd back in ARR.

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    Geez the majority of your clears are grey. No wonder you think RDM is hard.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 10-08-2022 at 11:15 AM.

  5. #465
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Dance partner makes a huge difference as do the brd songs...I don't think you realize just how beneficial their buffs are and you also don't understand basic logic either. I'm not going to bring a MCH into my party if it does less damage and brings no raid buffs and pretty much EVERY raider has this exact same mind set. Its why meta's exist and its why this dev team has gone so fair to remove metas and trying to make everyone viable to prevent things like double brd back in ARR.

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    Geez the majority of your clears are grey. No wonder you think RDM is hard.
    And you're again ignoring that the difference between them with those buffs and MCH would be around 1%. And I said RDM was HARDER than the ranged phys and MCH, I didn't say it was hard. Like are you actually reading? I mean I know you aren't because you tried coming for me on my logs which aren't really in my control when others cause a near wipe. You need to seriously improve your reading comprehension
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  6. #466
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    And you're again ignoring that the difference between them with those buffs and MCH would be around 1%. And I said RDM was HARDER than the ranged phys and MCH, I didn't say it was hard. Like are you actually reading? I mean I know you aren't because you tried coming for me on my logs which aren't really in my control when others cause a near wipe. You need to seriously improve your reading comprehension
    1.) Its not the damage between them...its what they bring to the raid which is more dps than the mch AND buffs that improves everyone else's dps. Why is this basic concept impossible for you to grasp?

    2.) RDM is not harder than MCH. Both are equally easy to play.
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  7. #467
    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    1.) Its not the damage between them...its what they bring to the raid which is more dps than the mch AND buffs that improves everyone else's dps. Why is this basic concept impossible for you to grasp?

    2.) RDM is not harder than MCH. Both are equally easy to play.
    Those buffs are their damage. Do you not understand how rDPS works? STILL? All the damage a group would gain from Tech Step is actually Dancer's damage

    Yes, it is
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    thanks to the devs for reading the feedback and agreeing that giant hitboxes = less DPS tax for ranged/caster.

    I hope that the expected changes will be good,
    but admitting it is a good start.
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    Last edited by remiff; 10-08-2022 at 02:02 PM.

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    I can't wait for my 10 potency buff on my shot combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    I can't wait for my 10 potency buff on my shot combo.
    Please look forward to it™
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