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    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Ivtrix Impreria
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    I haven't stated any on the matter. Try again
    You do not state facts. You state opinions. You are wrong. You cannot dispute my logic. You are dismissed.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    You do not state facts. You state opinions. You are wrong. You cannot dispute my logic. You are dismissed.
    Your logic is trying to state that a fact is an opinion. I guess the Earth revolving around the sun is an opinion now. You warrant no further replies for your harassment
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    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Ivtrix Impreria
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Your logic is trying to state that a fact is an opinion. I guess the Earth revolving around the sun is an opinion now. You warrant no further replies for your harassment
    My logic has long surmised that your facts are indeed not facts, but opinions. I am sorry that you equate logic and reality for harassment. I hope you get well soon.
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    Saber Maxwell
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    Faerie
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Only minor correction to the above being aDPS filters out single target buffs like dance partner and AST cards, otherwise it would still be pDPS from StB and before.
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Ah yes you're right.
    aDPS removes Devilment / Standard Finish, Astrologian cards, and Left Eye.
    It's still great to see how jobs scales with party wide buffs.

    aDPS remains a great source to see which jobs is the best candidate for dance partner, left eye or cards.
    Ironically, MCH is the last priority unless there's a skill/gear difference or a ranged card must be attributed.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    So why isn't MCH when it offers no utility just like SAM? Why is BLM lower than all melee when it offers no utility just like SAM?
    MCH due to ease, BLM is due to imbalance
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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    MCH due to ease, BLM is due to imbalance
    But DNC is objectively easier than MCH, less APM, skill cap is only keep buttons on cooldown. MCH has to ensure Hypercharge does not clip Drill/Air Anchor/Chainsaw timings or overflow Gaus Barrel/Richochets during Hypercharge, as well as ensuring they land every single weave during the fast GCD time. Why isn't DNC lower than MCH with your logic?
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    But DNC is objectively easier than MCH, less APM, skill cap is only keep buttons on cooldown. MCH has to ensure Hypercharge does not clip Drill/Air Anchor/Chainsaw timings or overflow Gaus Barrel/Richochets during Hypercharge, as well as ensuring they land every single weave during the fast GCD time. Why isn't DNC lower than MCH with your logic?
    You clearly aren't aware of things like Closed Position changes. Also having to react to RNG. APM doesn't mean much when it's inflated
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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    You clearly aren't aware of things like Closed Position changes. Also having to react to RNG. APM doesn't mean much when it's inflated
    I literally play DNC when I want an easy braindead no thinking minimal chance of mistakes job. RNG is minimal on DNC, using Fan Dances properly is much less effort than MCH. They even get 3 dashes for mobility mistakes that MCH doesn't have. What Closed Position changes makes it more difficult to play than MCH specifically? I quite honestly find DNC to to be the easiest job to play in the game, even moreso than SMN because even SMN has clipping risks with 1-2s left on Bahamut/Phoenix, and managing Swiftcast Slipstream. Not much more, so an argument can be made for either. MCH is harder than both.
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    Last edited by Mithron; 10-07-2022 at 06:31 AM.

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    Zanelle Solainteau
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Why is this thread a red mage calling other jobs easy? SE adjusted the job, so the RDMs would stop accidentally yeeting themselves over the edge. RDM was never a difficult job, not that difficulty should determine damage. Only balance should.
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