Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[FireMage]

Ok, go play an game you find difficult, i might find it easy compared to you, that's how difficulty is subjective.
for example, DRK is fairly simple to play aswell, do others find this? probably not, some have more difficulity double weaving as much OGCDs, meanwhile I find that fairly simple.
it's the same for MCH, people who find double weaving more difficult are not gonna have a fun day on MCH.

Read what you quoted until it sinks in

[Boffy]

Read what you quoted until it sinks in

I'd be tempted to argue with you, but your statements are so intellectually dishonest that I'll just settle for calling you a filibuster.

[FireMage]

I'd be tempted to argue with you, but your statements are so intellectually dishonest that I'll just settle for calling you a filibuster.

How can factual statements be intellectually dishonest?

[Ransu]

How can factual statements be intellectually dishonest?

Opinions ≠ factual statements.

Or they could properly balance the Jobs and MCH would only do ~1% less than BRD/DNC

Why should MCH do less than DNC/BRD? In what world is that ok? MCH doesn't bring any raid benefits to the table...they are literally a pure dps job. If they were within 1% of DNC and BRD there would be ZERO reason to take a MCH into the group.

Precisely, I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts

You're stating poor opinions.

Selfish DPS or not is irrelevant. rDPS is your DPS, the only difference is that you need to worry about other people pushing buttons for it, but in a high end setting that's a non factor. MCH being at practically the top would do nothing but spit on every other Job given it's sheer amount of ease of play. It belongs at the bottom with SMN, which again would with proper balance still be viable because ~5% from top to bottom isn't a big deal and would be better balance than we've ever had

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URXvnFnlUeE

[SaberMaxwell]

In the same way that statistics can be misinterpreted to mean whatever you want them to mean. Of course, that assumes statements of fact have been made; rather, you make claims of fact but don't provide objective, falsifiable measurements to back up those claims, so they remain meaningless bits you've dropped onto the internet.

[Mithron]

In the same way that statistics can be misinterpreted to mean whatever you want them to mean. Of course, that assumes statements of fact have been made; rather, you make claims of fact but don't provide objective, falsifiable measurements to back up those claims, so they remain meaningless bits you've dropped onto the internet.

He debates like a 5 year old. All logical fallacies.

[FireMage]

He debates like a 5 year old. All logical fallacies.

Says the one using ad hominem. Also you're wrong given that facts aren't logical fallacies at all

[Mithron]

Says the one using ad hominem.

that'sthejoke

If MCH did 1% less than BRD/DNC, why would you ever want a MCH?

[MagiusNecros]

that'sthejoke

If MCH did 1% less than BRD/DNC, why would you ever want a MCH?

So you can use gun

[FireMage]

No they wouldn't. They would just have to balance within roles if there were four roles to choose from.
They could take MCH, SAM, and BLM from their current groups and put them into a new one. Buff MCH to be around the same level as SAM and BLM and boom all balancing is basically done. People would still bring BRD or DNC even if MCH did 10% more dps because a pranged (which MCH wouldn't be part of the "pranged" role anymore) is required to get that necessary party buff.

I don't actually think they will do what I'm suggesting. It just seems like this is the best way to fix MCH. If they leave it as it is MCH basically has three options. Stay woefully irrelevant in the prange role, be over powered in the prange role, or change MCH into a Bard with a gun, which would just be another step towards homogeneity of dps classes.

Or they could properly balance the Jobs and MCH would only do ~1% less than BRD/DNC