Why so few additions to customization options?

[Tsiron]

Whatever the case on the technical side of things, character creation could really use some love. A lot of folks, myself included, love their characters and it can be kind of a bummer to run into near exact clones (be it other players or NPCs)... which can be a fairly common occurrence given the limited options FFXIV has to work with when populating its world...

i even made a thread with my wishes for au ra specifically

[HeyMcFly]

That's what mods are for, to fix what the XIV team will not!

want beards? mods
want hair? mods
Want body hair? mods

Because the years of requesting these things has fallen on deaf ears

[Deveryn]

If anything falls on deaf ears, it's the truth about things like this and why it can't happen in a space like this.

[Atelier-Bagur]

That's what mods are for, to fix what the XIV team will not!

want beards? mods
want hair? mods
Want body hair? mods

Because the years of requesting these things has fallen on deaf ears

The problem with mods at least besides the usual stuff personally is just one *tiny crucial little detail*

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Nobody else can see how your character truly looks like. Call me vain, but when I glam or work on my appearance, Im very proud of my character so much that I want to make sure he looks his best in front of people. Whats the point installing appearance mods when nobody or at the least anyone whom also doesnt share the same mod cant even see it? I suppose its just for your eyes only and for some, thats good enough, but its not for me. Yeah like I said, appearances matter to me with how others also perceive my character.

This is why I'll continue to NOT install them and keep asking for the devs to add in more customization features officially so that way, everyone can win. Not just the few whom dare to go against ToS.

[Allegor]

The problem with mods at least besides the usual stuff personally is just one *tiny crucial little detail*

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Nobody else can see how your character truly looks like. Call me vain, but when I glam or work on my appearance, Im very proud of my character so much that I want to make sure he looks his best in front of people. Whats the point installing appearance mods when nobody or at the least anyone whom also doesnt share the same mod cant even see it? I suppose its just for your eyes only and for some, thats good enough, but its not for me. Yeah like I said, appearances matter to me with how others also perceive my character.

This is why I'll continue to NOT install them and keep asking for the devs to add in more customization features officially so that way, everyone can win. Not just the few whom dare to go against ToS.

My thoughts exactly. I'm admittedly too vain to use something only I can see, so to me, mods aren't the solution but simultaneously are indicators, if not proof, that something can be done about an issue.
Case in point: the 6.1 Hrothgar hairstyles - it took modders 3 hours to fix what the devs couldn't in 3 years. No amount of lack of manpower or time crunch can excuse that.

[Rolder50]

The problem with mods at least besides the usual stuff personally is just one *tiny crucial little detail*

<ahem>

Nobody else can see how your character truly looks like. Call me vain, but when I glam or work on my appearance, Im very proud of my character so much that I want to make sure he looks his best in front of people. Whats the point installing appearance mods when nobody or at the least anyone whom also doesnt share the same mod cant even see it? I suppose its just for your eyes only and for some, thats good enough, but its not for me. Yeah like I said, appearances matter to me with how others also perceive my character.

This is why I'll continue to NOT install them and keep asking for the devs to add in more customization features officially so that way, everyone can win. Not just the few whom dare to go against ToS.

One of the newer plugins lets you sync your modded appearance with other people who have the plugin + have you as a friend on it. So not *everyone* can see you, especially not console players, but you can share to some degree.

[Silverbane]

One of the newer plugins lets you sync your modded appearance with other people who have the plugin + have you as a friend on it. So not *everyone* can see you, especially not console players, but you can share to some degree.

I have no personal beef with mods like this, as they do not affect me or the game, but people should be aware of the risks they bring that the usual local-only mods may not subject them to.

For example, imagine a relationship with a glam-mod "friend" goes south, and they frame you (easy enough to do) and report you to SE for using a mod with FFXIV to distribute not just naked pictures but child porn.*
SE probably won't bother with an in-depth investigation, they'll just ban you for life.

And the risk may be worse if the mod allows the "friends" to load images you may never see onto your computer. Of course, local-only mods could do that too -- as does SE. But in the case of SE, it is probably easy to prove they put the offending images on your computer without your knowledge or consent.

*N.B. Where I live, the criminal penalty for possessing child porn is a mandatory 10 years in prison per violating image/video, run consecutively, with no possibility of parole.

[Deveryn]

The problem with mods at least besides the usual stuff personally is just one *tiny crucial little detail*

<ahem>

Nobody else can see how your character truly looks like. Call me vain, but when I glam or work on my appearance, Im very proud of my character so much that I want to make sure he looks his best in front of people. Whats the point installing appearance mods when nobody or at the least anyone whom also doesnt share the same mod cant even see it? I suppose its just for your eyes only and for some, thats good enough, but its not for me. Yeah like I said, appearances matter to me with how others also perceive my character.

It all ends up on Twitter and Discord. Spare your eyes and don't seek it out. Some of the stuff is just plain awful

[LianaThorne]

The problem with mods at least besides the usual stuff personally is just one *tiny crucial little detail*

<ahem>

Nobody else can see how your character truly looks like. Call me vain, but when I glam or work on my appearance, Im very proud of my character so much that I want to make sure he looks his best in front of people. Whats the point installing appearance mods when nobody or at the least anyone whom also doesnt share the same mod cant even see it? I suppose its just for your eyes only and for some, thats good enough, but its not for me. Yeah like I said, appearances matter to me with how others also perceive my character.

This is why I'll continue to NOT install them and keep asking for the devs to add in more customization features officially so that way, everyone can win. Not just the few whom dare to go against ToS.

Hardly few when there are some mods sitting at 500k+ downloads. There's also a plugin now that fixes the issue of others not being able to see it jsyk, a few people in my circles use it. It's actually kind of wild how far plugins have come since a couple years ago.

If you want to hold out and wait for them to fix things, be my guest. No one's stopping you. Just if others want to use other available sources of customization, don't get mad at them for using it since the devs literally won't fix things after years of being asked for.

All we're confirmed to be getting so far is a graphics/textures update. If we get a CC overhaul along with it then that's awesome and I'll be really happy for everyone who's asked for it, but it won't kill off the mod scene either. They'd have to put in a feature that allows anyone to import in whatever clothing/hair/tattoos/etc. they want along with completely redoing how gpose works so we can manipulate limbs and bones into custom poses.

If they do THAT, then I will concede it might be the end of the mod scene. Otherwise, it's not going anywhere.

[Deveryn]

Hardly few when there are some mods sitting at 500k+ downloads. There's also a plugin now that fixes the issue of others not being able to see it jsyk, a few people in my circles use it. It's actually kind of wild how far plugins have come since a couple years ago.

If you want to hold out and wait for them to fix things, be my guest. No one's stopping you. Just if others want to use other available sources of customization, don't get mad at them for using it since the devs literally won't fix things after years of being asked for.

All we're confirmed to be getting so far is a graphics/textures update. If we get a CC overhaul along with it then that's awesome and I'll be really happy for everyone who's asked for it, but it won't kill off the mod scene either. They'd have to put in a feature that allows anyone to import in whatever clothing/hair/tattoos/etc. they want along with completely redoing how gpose works so we can manipulate limbs and bones into custom poses.

If they do THAT, then I will concede it might be the end of the mod scene. Otherwise, it's not going anywhere.

They probably don't even care about these kinds of mods. Just don't go broadcasting it where they can take action for TOS. Their main concern is gameplay and those cheats people use.

Likewise, gameplay is the focus of development in general and they're not likely to go far beyond what's in place and have any kind of customization overhaul.