Wondering what to do, honestly...

[Mithron]

I'm just frustrated right now because of the current imbalance at the higher tiers of play; yeah, it doesn't affect most content - and I am damn thankful for that - but since I am going into some of the really higher-level stuff hopefully soon, it's something I'm having to keep in mind; even if it is just to earn a single fucking mount, of all things.

You don't have to keep it in mind, though. You're not doing week 1 Savage prog. That's the only time you would want to keep it mind. That is the only content where RDM would struggle, and honestly, even that's an outlier for the history of this game. That's it. Not week 2+. I know it's easy to think FF14 balance is similar to other games but it's not. The meta here is 99% of the time just play what you have the most fun playing, and play it well. If that's RDM, then it's RDM. You can clear 4th tier Savage fights as RDM and get the mount.

[CKNovel]

Oh no, my job has bad deeps. I can't enjoy life anymore. As if a zero more or less adds fun to anything. If I had to choose between a fun job and one that has the deeps I'd take the former every time. lol

Here's the thing:
Where all in this game where we just want to blow some steam, yes?
What if you come back from work, just want to play on your favorite job and it's locked out of PF? Is that a pleasing experience?

They say lots of things, but the fact is if Jobs were properly balanced then they wouldn't have had to nerf anything, they basically took the easy way out instead of having to properly fix the issue. If you can't realize that, that's a you problem, and wasting my posts on you isn't going to fix that

If you were on P8SP1 week 1 you'd understand how ridiculous the DPS check was.
Yes we weren't perfect and we could have improved here and there for scraps of DPS.
The DPS check was ridiculously on min ilvl, had even for meta comp. Even if jobs were more balanced, the clear rate would've been remained the same.

[FireMage]

Here's the thing:
Where all in this game where we just want to blow some steam, yes?
What if you come back from work, just want to play on your favorite job and it's locked out of PF? Is that a pleasing experience?



If you were on P8SP1 week 1 you'd understand how ridiculous the DPS check was.
Yes we weren't perfect and we could have improved here and there for scraps of DPS.
The DPS check was ridiculously on min ilvl, had even for meta comp. Even if jobs were more balanced, the clear rate would've been remained the same.

Except that's wrong given that with proper balance the floor would be higher. Proper balance would increase rDPS by several hundred just with the changes necessary to achieve it alone. The ISSUES are that multiple Jobs are too low, multiple Jobs are in an improper order of damage

[CKNovel]

The DPS check was ridiculously on min ilvl, had even for meta comp. Even if jobs were more balanced, the clear rate would've been remained the same.

Except that's wrong given that with proper balance the floor would be higher. Proper balance would increase rDPS by several hundred just with the changes necessary to achieve it alone. The ISSUES are that multiple Jobs are too low, multiple Jobs are in an improper order of damage

Yes, the balance is a problem and no one argues about it.
Many swapped to get their clears but if balance was different then they wouldn't have swapped. As simple as that.

Even when swapped to comps with GNB/DRK/SAM/DNC/MNK with a tomestone weapon, the DPS check was too hard.
On min Ilvl it may not have been possible at all even with the most meta comp.

[FireMage]

Yes, the balance is a problem and no one argues about it.
Many swapped to get their clears but if balance was different then they wouldn't have swapped. As simple as that.

Even when swapped to comps with GNB/DRK/SAM/DNC/MNK with a tomestone weapon, the DPS check was too hard.
On min Ilvl it may not have been possible at all even with the most meta comp.

Yeah totally explains why people killed it week 1 then...and that's even with the current poor balance where caster and ranged aren't doing the damage they should. The issue wasn't the check I've gone over this. Read or don't reply

[Travel]

Oh no, my job has bad deeps. I can't enjoy life anymore. As if a zero more or less adds fun to anything. If I had to choose between a fun job and one that has the deeps I'd take the former every time. lol

Thanks for popping by, lad. Meaningful contribution, there.

You don't have to keep it in mind, though. You're not doing week 1 Savage prog. That's the only time you would want to keep it mind.

That's actually it, though. There are some issues that have been highlighted in 6.2 with job balance, and that is what's gotten my attention. Like you said, it doesn't entirely concern me now - Week 1 has already passed - but there are going to be other Week 1 raids in the future, and it's better to address a problem now, while it's fresh, then to ignore it.

While I am focused on grabbing the mount currently, I will be trying to go into more difficult content, including speed clears, later; I'm just thinking in long-term, you follow? I'm not disagreeing with you, far from it; it's just that my brain works in very weird-as-shit ways, and I'm terrible at explaining shit.

[Mithron]

That's actually it, though. There are some issues that have been highlighted in 6.2 with job balance, and that is what's gotten my attention. Like you said, it doesn't entirely concern me now - Week 1 has already passed - but there are going to be other Week 1 raids in the future, and it's better to address a problem now, while it's fresh, then to ignore it.

While I am focused on grabbing the mount currently, I will be trying to go into more difficult content, including speed clears, later; I'm just thinking in long-term, you follow? I'm not disagreeing with you, far from it; it's just that my brain works in very weird-as-shit ways, and I'm terrible at explaining shit.

By the time you get to week 1 savage raiding, you'll already be able to play multiple jobs and roles, they'll all be geared, and RDM may even be the OP meta top DPS job. Things change here all the time in 14, and P8S is an exceptionally rare circumstance where job balance was a problem in week 1. It's not the norm, and it'll probably not happen again for several years given how much more this game has grown. Heck, back in HW MNK was the garbage job. Now look at it.

[Aikaal]

So here'S the deal. RDM is in a bad spot, it's not doing great and it's main reason to be brough is raise utility.

If your goal is to do week1/week2, the main strat group uses is to bring RDM for the first 3 floor and swap SMN for the 4th one for the DPS check. It is the common world prog strat. You don't bring a BLM unless you run double caster and that meta is dead in Endwalker.

If your goal is to clear eventually, you can stick to RDM. Unless you group with people who constantly log grey, DPS isn't an issue at the end of the day.

[Travel]

Things change here all the time in 14, and P8S is an exceptionally rare circumstance where job balance was a problem in week 1. It's not the norm, and it'll probably not happen again for several years given how much more this game has grown. Heck, back in HW MNK was the garbage job. Now look at it.

I really do hope you're right, man; it's just so common with video game companies in general these days to start fucking with game balance and not doing shit about it. FFXIV, for all of my gripes and complaints and other negative shit, is one of the few games I've played in a very long time that's made me genuinely happy; I hope you'll forgive me for showing what I openly admit is a bit too much concern.

So here'S the deal. RDM is in a bad spot, it's not doing great and it's main reason to be brough is raise utility.

If your goal is to do week1/week2, the main strat group uses is to bring RDM for the first 3 floor and swap SMN for the 4th one for the DPS check. It is the common world prog strat. You don't bring a BLM unless you run double caster and that meta is dead in Endwalker.

If your goal is to clear eventually, you can stick to RDM. Unless you group with people who constantly log grey, DPS isn't an issue at the end of the day.

Early clears are what I was focusing on; with how random my schedule is these days, there might not be any time for me afterwards to do any raiding, so getting something made just in case is a good idea regardless.

[CKNovel]

Even when swapped to comps with GNB/DRK/SAM/DNC/MNK with a tomestone weapon, the DPS check was too hard.
On min Ilvl it may not have been possible at all even with the most meta comp.

Yeah totally explains why people killed it week 1 then...and that's even with the current poor balance where caster and ranged aren't doing the damage they should. The issue wasn't the check I've gone over this. Read or don't reply

Do you want me to double the size of the text?
This tier we weren't Minimum ilvl gear and we never were, we had 900 tomestones and 3 floor worth of gear including tomestone weapon.
But even with this, it was the hardest DPS check since Gordias.

Even on a perfect run you could be screwed if your RNG wasn't good.