Wondering what to do, honestly...

[Rithy255]

There were several comps that could not factually clear week 1. Your main point has been destroyed

What a great argument, almost like it was because of the really harsh DPS check not because the job balanced really changed. And if you want to call a bad dps check a Balance issue then they solved it lol.

Seriously, we all know some jobs are struggling to perform as well as others but right now people are acting as if it's such a big deal like playing red mage is completely unplayable despite the fact that people are playing RDM more then BLM right now lol. I get it it's not perfect but I really am getting tired of people spreading this mentality that if a job isn't top performing it's unplayable and you'll be forced into another job.

In reality that would only happen if the check warrants it like it did and then the check got nerfed what a surpise, but lets complain some more despite no one complaining that much in 6.0-6.1 even though nothing changed, apart from a harsh DPS check showing the balance isn't perfect.

Your statements have no real meaning all you can do is make small comments not even talking about any actual issues, Your point has been destroyed.

[FireMage]

What a great argument, almost like it was because of the really harsh DPS check not because the job balanced really changed. And if you want to call a bad dps check a Balance issue then they solved it lol.

Seriously, we all know some jobs are struggling to perform as well as others but right now people are acting as if it's such a big deal like playing red mage is completely unplayable despite the fact that people are playing RDM more then BLM right now lol. I get it it's not perfect but I really am getting tired of people spreading this mentality that if a job isn't top performing it's unplayable and you'll be forced into another job.

Except that the harsh check was a balance issue, and lowering the HP of Heph doesn't change that it still exists. Please do educate yourself on the matter

[Rithy255]

Except that the harsh check was a balance issue, and lowering the HP of Heph doesn't change that it still exists. Please do educate yourself on the matter

Educate yourself first, they literally said they over tuned it (meaning that it wasn't balanced well for every job, even not well balanced for "meta comps"). Sure you might dislike that they're not buffing jobs instead but it's pretty clear they didn't want the check to be that harsh.

Technically it does change balance because more comps can clear it (without gear), People aren't forcing you to go a different job generally now that the check isn't that bad. So I'm pretty sure it does change balance, while it doesn't address the deeper issue, it does mean you're free to pick any job you want, which means, that every job is viable.

Almost like I said there was a Balance "issue" before 6.2 (before the dps check even existed!), but go on keep avoiding my points and just cherry picking stuff I say.

[FireMage]

Educate yourself first, they literally said they over tuned it

They say lots of things, but the fact is if Jobs were properly balanced then they wouldn't have had to nerf anything, they basically took the easy way out instead of having to properly fix the issue. If you can't realize that, that's a you problem, and wasting my posts on you isn't going to fix that

[Rithy255]

They say lots of things, but the fact is if Jobs were properly balanced then they wouldn't have had to nerf anything, they basically took the easy way out instead of having to properly fix the issue. If you can't realize that, that's a you problem, and wasting my posts on you isn't going to fix that

The Dps check was clearly overtuned more then they wanted, I agree the jobs were poorly balanced they still are they've been poorly balanced the whole expansion lol, I've said this serval times that some jobs need work right now. I'm just saying the DPS check is why people noticed the balance issue because it clearly wasn't intended to be that harsh, you can disagree with me there that's fine, but I don't understand who you're arguing with I've said plently of times that jobs like machnist, rdm and reaper just to name a few need changes.

Then don't waste your posts on me, no ones stopping you lol, if anything I have to waste my posts explaining why you're taking my entire argument out of context yet again, Where yes the balance isn't great, but it's good enough where every job can clear, the fact is if the DPS check was how it currently is week 1, no one would be complaining as much.

like I said you can't even look at my whole argument you keep just focusing on one point that isn't relevant to the bigger picture. So if you wanna discuss actual balance issues and what should be changed/adress I'm more then happy to but if you're just going to comment on something that isn't even relevant to the point, I mentioned the DPS check because you said jobs couldn't clear week 1, I then said the devs changed that because it was clear that it's unintentionally difficult, you then use it as me saying "gg game fixed" When I said it doesn't even look at the deeper issue.

Like seriously please actually look into my arguments instead of trying to strawman me and cherry pick everything I say.

[Travel]

Honestly, I'll say what I always say - Play what you like. You'll always perform better on a Job you enjoy and have a good feel for.

As for balance - People make WAY too much of a deal over it. While there is one particular outlier (MCH), every other Job is more than functional (even MCH is) and aren't really being denied entry into parties, especially once the content is a few weeks old or more and people have geared up some.

Literally the only time it matters is within the first 1-3 weeks of brand new content, for world first race clears (which are almost always done within 1 week anyway), and MAYBE for Ultimates, where RDM will always be welcome anyway since it's so great at helping push Prog/phases.

So play what you like, ignore the community being a bit TOO hyper-focused on balance and the meta. Nothing's not viable, and people really need to step back a bit from that cliff.

If you enjoy RDM, keep playing the job. The balance with RDM has always gone up and down every expac so it will surely get back to middle of the pack at some point. I've played it since it was introduced in Stormblood and I've continued to play it through all its ups and downs. With MMOs it's important to remember that a job normally won't stay in a bad place forever so I wouldn't avoid a job just because it's not currently doing great. And people are still playing it and using it in end game content, it was actually the most desired caster for the latest ultimate when that ultimate first dropped. (when I was looking for a DSR group I put that I could play NIN or RDM, every single group wanted me on RDM) It's also still being used about as much as BLM in this savage tier, SMN is only significantly above the 2 other casters in representation because it's the one caster that's punished the least for moving a lot.

And fortunately at this point in the tier gear can make up for jobs that are under performing. So unless your plan was to do speed clears or something, RDM will still be able to clear the content. This tier was just a weird one because the dps check for the door boss was unusually tight compared to previous tiers. I don't see that situation happening again any time soon. Obviously I don't think RDM is in a great place, but it's also not worth giving up on a job you like because it's in a rough patch atm.

Apologizes if this sounds rude, gentlemen, but; that's precisely what I'm doing. Like I said in another post; I legit do not give a shit about the meta, and the only reason why I'm grabbing a melee job at all is for the sake of Savage raiding later. Like I said earlier, RDM is awesome, and I intend to keep leveling it as my mage of choice; ironically, I am considering maining another job - that would be Bard - because I like the extra mobility it offers.

I'm just frustrated right now because of the current imbalance at the higher tiers of play; yeah, it doesn't affect most content - and I am damn thankful for that - but since I am going into some of the really higher-level stuff hopefully soon, it's something I'm having to keep in mind; even if it is just to earn a single fucking mount, of all things.

[Travel]

well another dumpster fire topic trying to go nowhere really fast.

Yeah, sorry for the negativity; just wanted to post my thoughts.

[einschwartz]

Just me posting my thoughts, honestly.

I don't do Savage so you may consider this with a grain of salt.
If you plan on raiding casually, I wouldn't worry too much about job balance or picking the absolute best dps job for it. Things will get adjusted in time. Sometimes they fix 1 job, and then they messed up another. To me it's just needless stress unless you're aiming for week 1 or week 2 clear when it was new. It's more important to pick the ones that you are comfortable playing and optimize from there.

Truth be told, I'm looking to learn and gear for Savage so I can start grinding to get the Eden mount; it was one of the few Sin-Eater mounts available, and I was looking to grab it for the sake of a glamour I was trying to make.

If this is your sole purpose, you can unsync E12S with just normal raid /crafted gear.
Me and my friends just got ours last week. We could almost skip Junction Titan in Phase 1 already. Better group can definitely skip altogether (we managed to get at 0.1% but the mechanic started so we just had to wait and resolve it correctly). For Phase 2 you only need to study up until Basic Relativity. Boss is dead before it could do Intermediate Relativity.

EDIT: I would love to help you out running it. But alas. Different data center. :c

[Travel]

I don't do Savage so you may consider this with a grain of salt.
If you plan on raiding casually, I wouldn't worry too much about job balance or picking the absolute best dps job for it. Things will get adjusted in time. Sometimes they fix 1 job, and then they messed up another. To me it's just needless stress unless you're aiming for week 1 or week 2 clear when it was new. It's more important to pick the ones that you are comfortable playing and optimize from there.



If this is your sole purpose, you can unsync E12S with just normal raid /crafted gear.
Me and my friends just got ours last week. We could almost skip Junction Titan in Phase 1 already. Better group can definitely skip altogether (we managed to get at 0.1% but the mechanic started so we just had to wait and resolve it correctly). For Phase 2 you only need to study up until Basic Relativity. Boss is dead before it could do Intermediate Relativity.

EDIT: I would love to help you out running it. But alas. Different data center. :c

Yeah, thanks for the offer. I'll try and see if I can get a team together when it's time, anyway; I've still got some stuff to do before then.

[Payadopa]

Oh no, my job has bad deeps. I can't enjoy life anymore. As if a zero more or less adds fun to anything. If I had to choose between a fun job and one that has the deeps I'd take the former every time. lol