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  1. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrien View Post
    Oh wow don't bait and switch. What is the point of defending that other individual in your earlier post then? You can't take back what I quoted and forget about it. You said they hated it in OTHER GAMES. If you can't see your own contradictions, and assumptions for your so called observations then you sir/miss shouldn't talk for others.
    Do you even know what bait and switch means? O.o
    I wasn't defending anyone. I already explained that I was correcting Radnar for saying something never happens, when people (including myself) have witnessed it happening. (And he/she corrected him/herself).
    I wouldn't take back a word I said unless something was false or hurtful. As no one has pointed out anything false or hurtful, I stand by what I said. O.o
    Yes, people have seen it in many games and disliked it. I've seen it in one. If you can't make a point why are you picking on me? :x
    Name one assumption I made. I dare you.
    I've assumed nothing for my own observations.. that doesn't even make sense. Assuming requires pretending you have knowledge that you don't.
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    Last edited by Nabiri; 07-06-2012 at 09:37 PM.

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  2. #232
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabiri View Post
    Do you even know what bait and switch means? O.o
    I wasn't defending anyone. I already explained that I was correcting Radnar for saying something never happens, when people (including myself) have witnessed it happening. (And he/she corrected him/herself).
    I wouldn't take back a word I said unless something was false. As no one has pointed out anything false, I stand by what I said. O.o
    Yes, people have seen it in many games and disliked it. I've seen it in one. If you can't make a point why are you picking on me? :x
    Name one assumption I made. I dare you.
    I've assumed nothing for my own observations.. that doesn't even make sense. Assuming requires pretending you have knowledge that you don't.
    That last sentence is so true, you should listen to your own advice.

    Here is the original quote you're defending

    Quote Originally Posted by KraggyKor View Post
    This! More importantly BLOCK IT IN TOWNS!

    Just look at games like WOW, Rift, LOTRO etc. Towns that are popular are filled with retards jumping about on their oh-so-kewl mounts like demented 5-year-olds on beany-bags.

    We don't need that idiocy in FFXIV thank you.
    What I underline is the games you use for your so called observations, base on this individual experience in other games you have not played. You're assuming the worst because you have some experience in one game and judging the rest because they have jump.

    The fact of the matter is.. I've played games with jump, and have not witnessed these claims from my observations. That is why I'm calling you out as your claims is in invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    In combat?
    No this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    Getting around obstacles?
    Yes this.
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  4. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrien View Post
    That last sentence is so true, you should listen to your own advice.

    Here is the original quote you're defending
    You are getting things really really distorted dude. You're seeing what you want to see, and trying to harass me for some reason. What did I do to offend you? I'll apologize if need be.

    I wasn't defending any post. I was pointing out something incorrect in another person's post. I'm going to have to guess you're being willfully ignorant at this point, as you don't seem to be reading anything I'm saying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Andrien View Post
    What I underline is the games you use for your so called observations, base on this individual experience in other games you have not played. You're assuming the worst because you have some experience in one game and judging the rest because they have jump.

    The fact of the matter is.. I've played games with jump, and have not witnessed these claims from my observations. That is why I'm calling you out as your claims is in invalid.
    No, what you underline are not the games I observed or spoke of, they are someone else's experiences. I observed WoW as I played it.
    I didn't base any observations on games I have not played.. I couldn't... because I HAVE NOT played them.
    I'm not assuming anything negative about anything. How would I judge other games from playing WoW? Lol... You're not making any sense.
    Quote me exactly where you think I judged other games based on some assumed negative feelings I supposedly had while I played WoW.

    Yes, yes, I know. You've said that. You haven't witnessed things that I, and some other people state they have. That's alright. I don't have a problem with that. You seem to. Perhaps you should see someone about that. It seems serious to you.

    And you can't "call me out" and say that I didn't see something lol.
    "I have not witnessed this, so you couldn't have possibly witnessed this," is not a valid argument. It's fallacious.
    Even if you were in my house watching me play WoW from over my shoulder. I saw what I saw. Deal with it. :P

    I hate arguments but I won't back down if someone's stating untruths about me and harassing me.
    Not sure what I did to you.. but you sure seem to hate me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    Greetings,

    We would like to gather your thoughts about jump and how you would like it to be used (In combat? Getting around obstacles?) so we can pass them along to development team. Please let us know what you think. Thanks!
    Mmm, it shouldn't be a common mechanic in battles, but I believe it would be fun to utilize this in boss fights or puzzles in dungeons. Can't say to be sure, but it doesn't look like 2.0 is built that if you jump off a cliff you die. If anything it definitely would be fun for puzzles, but if we were to do this for boss fights, the team would have to work some things around it to make it work.

    Then again, we have fights like Titan in the future where he probably uses an ability that shakes the ground and makes your party members stagger for a moment. Would be cool if we used jump to time ourselves before he uses the attack and able to dodge it. Brings a slight bit more skill to the fight and makes the fight feel more interactive.
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    CHOCOBO STEEPLECHASE :O
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    Jumping to traverse terrain or hit steps suspended away from eachother (maybe in the crystal tower?) to reach a higher level would be cool. I like the idea of it being part of a dungeon or a small type of obstacle to cross.

    Keep it realistic and not 10 feet in the air or something crazy, and the animation smooth.

    Please please please don't let it be in combat. When I say this I mean, don't let it be that people are jumping over the monster over and over to get behind it and jumping all around it to spin it etc....If though it is added tastefully to avoid a special attack here and there I think thats ok. Especially a signature move for a boss or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakiamiie View Post
    I would like jump to be used for the following:
    • Jump around obstacles. [An obstacle course mini-game could even be implemented!]
    • Reach previously inaccessible places (climbing: jump on a railing, then on crates, then on a tree branch and finally on the roof of a house.) [use these places to hide chests, NPCs, beautiful scenery and other fun things]
    • Definitely make jumping mandatory for thorough exploration! [Players should have to use jump more as they move away from the main path. At even have to jump to reach new places to explore, otherwise inaccessible.]
    • Evade some attacks (attacks on the ground, attacks coming out of the ground, performed around the legs, etc.) [FF6 had a "float" spell to avoid ground-abilities, why not jumping?]
    • Monsters should jump to try to reach players above or below them.
    I think jumping should be used for more than just avoid random obstacles on the ground. It has to be used to explore otherwise inaccessible parts of the world, town and dungeons. Jumping is an exploration feature and could be used for some special mini-games.
    As for combat, the influence of jumping shouldn't be great. Only reduce damage from certain weapon skills, abilities and spells. In combat, the main purpose of jumping should be strategic placement.
    This sums it quite nicely for me. Especially the exploration part.

    Also, hopefully, the new version of the game will have an actual line of sight feature that prevent us from attacking from behind a rock, through a wall and other silliness like that. I've always found it stupid that my archer was able to shoot arrows through thick walls, rocks, cliff, etc. Jumping could then be used to momentarily have the monster in line of sight and perform an attack at the cost of accuracy.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    Greetings,

    We would like to gather your thoughts about jump and how you would like it to be used (In combat? Getting around obstacles?) so we can pass them along to development team. Please let us know what you think. Thanks!
    Definitely jumping over obstacles. Perhaps we can utilize this with terrain in the future. Dynamic boss fights that come in stages with terrain changes, or avoiding ground hazards should be the limitations. Also Spell cancelling is good in my book. That is it. Make it look tasteful and realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbine View Post
    Jumping to traverse terrain or hit steps suspended away from eachother (maybe in the crystal tower?) to reach a higher level would be cool. I like the idea of it being part of a dungeon or a small type of obstacle to cross.
    I would love climbing a tower (like Delkfutt's tower from XI), but jumping up platforms to reach the next level, (rather than the elevator lol). Would be interesting for a change. Even better if we could look all the way down to the bottom from the top.
    If there was a risk of falling it'd be even more exciting. But hopefully not so much risk that you had to wait on people all the time to climb back up. Suddenly I miss Parradamo Tor... lol
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