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  1. #1
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    Valknarr99's Avatar
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    Valknar Tempest
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    Jenova
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    Black Mage Lv 90

    Reaper has some big problems

    Like every reaper player I love the job but taking a closer look I see big problems that need to be addressed going forward. I don't understand hope people can think reaper burst is fine. During enshroud reaper uses four abilities void reaping, cross reaping, lemure slice and Communio. The first problem I see is that void reaping and cross reaping do the same damage as gibbet and gallows (which are outside of enshroud may i add). I feel that being in enshroud you should be doing more damage( your empowered by a reaper).The more damage that people think is because you do the abilities more often than normal but its still not more damage than normal. I would like to see a potency increase or a crit component while in enshroud. The second big problem is lemure slice that is a 200 potency. Why is the weakest ability for reaper used during enshroud. 28.5% of attacks during enshroud (2/7) is from lemure slice and its the weakest ability. To me this is 28.5% of enshroud wasted. The 200 potency is 100 potency weaker than harpe and shadow of death. I just dont see the point of having lemur slice with no effect and at that potency. I also want to have more uses of harvest moon. Outside of one use its a dead ability with that 5 second recharge. I would like to get more uses of plentiful harvest maybe as a one minute ability. Before I forget a thing that bugs me about enshroud is that it lasts 30 seconds but if you play it right you only use like 10 seconds to get out 2 void reaping, 2 cross reaping, 2 lemure slice and a Communio. The remaining time just vanishes. If would be nice if remain time gave a buff. Theses are just a few things I like to see changed or improved.
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    Last edited by Valknarr99; 09-21-2022 at 04:52 PM.

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    Keichi's Avatar
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    Maric Ward
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    Lich
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The difference is, that you need position without enshroude. You dont need position in Avatar Mode and make the higher dmg (it is like the combi with true north).

    But, i agree that the transformed skills could have a little higher numbers. Because i fail to see differences in most cases, when i look at the skill
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    Saber Maxwell
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    Faerie
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    The drastic reduction in attack speed and the oGCD that enshrouded attacks give makes the enshrouded attacks' potency per second value dwarf regular gibbet and gallows. You're hitting at a 1.5s GCD, which is insanely fast for this game.

    Also I'm not at the pc to look but Lemure Slice is the oGCD that enshrouded gives yea? Its a bit...extremely wrong to compare a GCD's potency to an oGCD's. Globals have opportunity costs; if you use harpe, you're not using any other GCD for 2.5 seconds. Lemure Slice doesn't trigger the global cooldown.

    Not saying reaper doesn't need buffs, but I don't think there's a solid understanding of how FFXIV works in the examination of its problems.
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    Jenova
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    Yes, they do the same amount of damage but when you are in your 20 second Arcane Circle + double enshroud window, you are doing 8 of them.

    Also Lemure's slice is an oGCD you single weave between these void attacks twice, I wouldn't say there's no point of having it when it doesn't hurt to use since it does not take up a GCD slot. I think this is fine as a low potency oGCD considering the amount of potency you are pushing with the void attacks and communio, and it could also be buffed depending on what they do with RPR. Also you have 2x communio in these windows, one of the few 1000+ potency abilities left in the game

    I'll agree with Harvest Moon and Enshroud. I'd like to maybe be able to build towards additional uses of Harvest Moon because you only get 1 use in fights without downtime which is kinda boring. I don't know how they would go about this, maybe having changes to proc this with the use of their 123 combo and give some sort of optimization uses such as slotting in Harvest Moon during double enshroud windows

    Also Enshroud should maybe be changed to either a 10 second recast or 30 because I don't know if double enshroud was ever intended and feels kinda jank to use, but easy and rewarding to learn of course
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    Last edited by Flashy; 09-21-2022 at 07:17 PM.

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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    I'm sure that they will simplify down the Double Enshroud window leading into the next expansion. I hope that it doesn't happen prior to this, because it's probably the only interesting melee dps burst and actually requires a bit of thought around your DD buff management leading into it. Part of the puzzle is figuring out how to get in as much potency as you can out of it. It's good for players to struggle with it, as it will encourage them to stop blindly dismissing the job without having any understanding of how it actually works.

    I've said this before, but you don't actually want additional uses of HM. It's potency isn't all that high, and outside of AoE situations, it's really just there for disengages and as a recovery technique to give you a dummy GCD in place of DD. You generally don't want to slot HM into Enshroud because it displaces a more important GCD, unless we start getting encounters with multiple adds.
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Please....no more auto crits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Please....no more auto crits.
    Why not? You don't want Xenoglossy to become a 380 potency that autocrits? Or communio to drop to 500 and autocrit? Exciting
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    Last edited by Flashy; 09-21-2022 at 11:53 PM.

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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashy View Post
    Why not? You don't want Xenoglossy to become a 380 potency that autocrits? Or communio to drop to 500 and autocrit? Exciting
    Yes...so very exciting -_-
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    I think to make Soulsow worthwhile during downtime it needs to build Shroud gauge every second OR recharges your Soul Slice/Scythe charges(I think this might be better for dungeons overall). In a perfect world I'd say charging Soulsow gives you 50 Shroud and instant Soulsow gives you your 2 Soul Slice charges. 50 Shroud off the instant proc would be too much. I think you could probably attach a 15 or 30 second CD to the skill for balance so players don't adopt bad habits.

    Furthermore since building to Enshroud takes on average a minute or longer I do think you should be able to maintain the form until you fire Communio off or the duration ends. And I think to balance out the burst a bit you could probably reduce the duration to 15 or 20 seconds instead of 30 to align with the next Enshroud without having to worry about Death's Design. Or you could keep it 30 second duration and Double Enshroud would line up with a 1 minute Death's Design Duration damage up.

    And since their Reaping attacks are Gibbet/Gallows/Guillotine they should buff your Lemure oGCDs to max Swathe and Bloodstalk potencies.

    Since all of Reapers damage is frontloaded into their Enshroud form and Soul Reaver attacks I think the focus should be in being in that mode as long as possible to make them more impactful and fun to play for that OH WOW GOTTA GO FAST factor.

    If building up to your burst takes a long time then it needs to either be strong or have a great deal of sustain.

    But I do think the devs are just going to make everything auto direct crit because it's easier to do.
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    Relnoria Thelysea
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    Moogle
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    Reaper Lv 100
    520 Potency with 1.5 sec GCD = 866.66 Potency with a 2.5 GCD

    Can you say again that it hit the same with those value ?

    Any attack in enshroud is literraly worth 340 Potency more than Gibet/Potence, but instead, it's almost twice as fast.
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