When will moonsine materials be available from the nuts vendor?

[SamSmoot]

Moonshine Twine and Shine, needed for gear augmentation. Available from vendor next patch, or later than that?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

6.3. Upgrade materials for tome gear always come in the catch-up patch and are never available in the savage/tome gear release patch from non-savage means.

[Kes13a]

the likely reasoning is that you have a cycle to get tomes, get the gear that you want first, then can get the tomes to grab the upgrade materials.

which is fine, means you arent always grinding your fingers off and can have more fun.

[SamSmoot]

the likely reasoning is that you have a cycle to get tomes, get the gear that you want first, then can get the tomes to grab the upgrade materials.

which is fine, means you arent always grinding your fingers off and can have more fun.

Actually, it means I have to grind tomes (with capped nuts) to get 620 gear first, then grind nuts to upgrade it all later. It would be nice if I could do both at once.

[Nezerius]

Actually, it means I have to grind tomes (with capped nuts) to get 620 gear first, then grind nuts to upgrade it all later. It would be nice if I could do both at once.

Buying tomestone gear upgrades with nuts is meant as a catch-up thing. It wouldn't make much sense to have a catch-up thing right at the start of a new savage tier, especially considering it would mostly invalidate the Shine/Twine dropping from P6S/P7S.

[Packetdancer]

Actually, it means I have to grind tomes (with capped nuts) to get 620 gear first, then grind nuts to upgrade it all later. It would be nice if I could do both at once.

You can, though. Wait until patch 6.3 to start the process; you can then grind the tomes to get the gear and grind the nuts to get the upgrade materials at the same time. Yes, that means you'll be limited by the weekly tomestone cap on Causality, but you will be progressing both at once.

I guess my question is what causes this perceived pressure to upgrade the gear as quickly as possible? Because realistically, unless you are doing current savage stuff, having the upgraded i630 gear is not really useful for anything right now. Sure, it can be nice for that dopamine hit of "look my numbers got bigger", but realistically the difference between i630 and i620 is not going to be meaningful outside of savage right now.

Sure, i630 gear will be ridiculously OP in any casual level 90 content that doesn't ilevel-sync your gear... but so will i620 gear, really.

[Eraden]

Wish they would increase the cap for Nuts. If the new stuff for upgrading the Causality gear requires Nuts as did the stuff for upgrading the Astronomy gear, it would be nice not having to waste Nuts on junk just to avoid going over cap.

[Packetdancer]

Wish they would increase the cap for Nuts. If the new stuff for upgrading the Causality gear requires Nuts as did the stuff for upgrading the Astronomy gear, it would be nice not having to waste Nuts on junk just to avoid going over cap.

Wait, why did the Astronomy gear require nuts? Or do you just mean obtaining it faster than via the weekly Aglaia coin? (Since yeah, when the alliance raid is current, it has that weekly loot restriction.)

I've always just assumed the nuts were meant to be the "I want to grind for all of them now" path for gear upgrades, e.g., you can buy the stuff, then go grind more nuts, buy more of the stuff, etc. It's not that you're meant to stockpile the currency ahead of time to be able to buy all the stuff right away, but rather "I spent all my nuts on the stuff, but I'm not restricted on how many I can earn in a week so I can just go grind out more if I'm feeling impatient". Whereas the alliance raid coins were the "I'm good getting one thing upgraded this week and waiting, no grinding for me" path.

the likely reasoning is that you have a cycle to get tomes, get the gear that you want first, then can get the tomes to grab the upgrade materials.

which is fine, means you arent always grinding your fingers off and can have more fun.

My understanding is that it's more a catch-up mechanic.

Basically, the even-numbered patches introduce new combat gear, but that gear is only really relevant to savage when first introduced, and so savage is the only way you get the highest tier of it -- whether that's the raid gear itself, or the upgrade items for tomestone gear. (I mean, also, if they let you get the tomestone upgrade items right away, people would be in i630 gear very very quickly and the savage gear wouldn't be terribly meaningful stats-wise.)

But the devs don't want to leave the rest of the playerbase beyond, so once the raids have been out for their entire even-numbered patch, the odd-numbered patches introduce ways for folks who don't do savage raiding to get their gear ilevel up as well; alliance raid gear that's almost as good as the savage raid or augmented tomestone gear, ways to get the augmentation items for tomestone gear, etc.

That way, even non-savage raiders have avenues to now improve their gear and be more or less on even footing with the savage raiders gear-wise. (At least in terms of ilevel, even if the savage folks in BiS may have more optimal substats. But as optimizing substats is really only relevant in savage...)

Then the next even-numbered patch lands, along with the next raid tier (and tier of combat gear), and the process starts over again.

[Deveryn]

Wish they would increase the cap for Nuts. If the new stuff for upgrading the Causality gear requires Nuts as did the stuff for upgrading the Astronomy gear, it would be nice not having to waste Nuts on junk just to avoid going over cap.

The cap is fine where it is. This is the 2nd expansion where we get to acquire Nuts and bicolors for goods. Raising or eliminating the cap on either would mean having to make yet another currency. How is it a waste? You always need materia for something or there'll be someone looking to buy it.

[Jojoya]

Wish they would increase the cap for Nuts. If the new stuff for upgrading the Causality gear requires Nuts as did the stuff for upgrading the Astronomy gear, it would be nice not having to waste Nuts on junk just to avoid going over cap.

Use the nuts to buy Moonward gear to level desynthesis (at 570, it's great for getting to the current 610 cap).

If your desynthesis is capped or you don't care about it, buy materia to store until 6.4. All that saved up materia I sold the first week of 6.2 was very profitable.

The cap is there to get you to use the currency instead of hoard it. If you genuinely think that nuts are only good for buying junk, then why care about them being capped when you can ignore them instead.