Warrior potency

[fulminating]

Storm’s path, storm’s eye: 430
Fell cleave: 470
Upheaval: 360
Onslaught: 150
Inner chaos: 650
Primal rend: 700 (70% fall off)

Why is every attack in warrior’s burst so flaccid? The direct crits are presumably to compensate for the near complete lack of ogcds (edge of shadow: 460, shadowbringer: 600, blasting zone: 720, continuation: 200-280, expacion: 420, some dots which can’t be overwritten because of cooldown vs duration), but the potency of the actual hit is tuned way too low.

The solution as I see it is for inner release to last a few seconds longer, grant 3 fell cleaves and 2 stacks of primal rend ready, or for roughly 700p to be added to warrior’s burst. Ideally primal rend > 950 (40% fall off), inner chaos > 850, fell cleave > 520.

Excluding BLU, Warrior doesn’t have substantially better mitigation than the other tanks in single target, why should it be penalised offensively?

[HolyReign]

I agree with you.

Warrior while having that feeling of cool berserker Tank, doesn't back that all up too well with the current Potency on, our attacks.

Warriors are very much the, "Selfish DPS." of the Tank Role, I feel for us to reach our true potential, our overall dmg output has to be brought up noticeably.

[Oizen]

Probably because you have a button that can quite literally heal yourself and a party member to full on a 25s cooldown

[fulminating]

Probably because you have a button that can quite literally heal yourself and a party member to full on a 25s cooldown

It's not like tbn and oblation don't exist and offer far more value.

[Rithy255]

It's not like tbn and oblation don't exist and offer far more value.

Oblation certainly not lol, TBN + Oblation at the same time? in situations maybe...? Healing two people for 1600 total (3200), giving a 20% mitigation and a shield (smaller then drks) are way more useful generally, Sure sometimes dark can help a dps/healer survive something that any other tank cd couldn't save them from? (Not like most cases warriors mitigation, healing and small shield could also save someone).

Warrior is always more free to use BW/Flash (or any other tank that isn't dark knight) While dark just flushes a big amount of damage for using a tanking cd if it was "misused" So yeah sometimes theirs more value in TBN but the general usability of other tanking cds, are generally more easier to use and in a lot of situations are just better.

I don't really understand why TBN is looked at this amazing ability or looked at this ability that is awful, It's neither it's good but more punishing then other tank cds, other tanking cds are more generalised, generally better while TBN is situationally better.

[fulminating]

Being able to put 10%, 10% and an hp shield on up to three other players is more value than a heal that doesn't happen until the next 4 gcds and don't give me that rubbish. We both know that it's 19% only on bloodwhetting, or 10% on another target when nascent. TBN is on the shortest cooldown of the short cooldown mitigations, 500 potency means jack when compared with the recently dead debuff and resources required to bring them back. Additionally in this tier every attack and its dog has a dot slapped on the end which makes holmgang kind of crap, and the healing pretty worthless because you'll be using it for the mitigation and it won't be back until too late.

At least warriors don't have to rely on parry.

[Vatom]

Wait is someone saying BW is worst then TBN... Seriously were having this convo?

[Rithy255]

Wait is someone saying BW is worst then TBN... Seriously were having this convo?

Apparently it is, I can see Situations where TBN can be better, but BW is so much better in 80% of those scenarios with no down side of using it incorrectly.

I don't even think TBN is bad But Bloodwhetting is way better it's way more stacked, even if we ignored the Massive self sustain effect, which is good for autos, Dots ect. The 20% (OR 10% + 10%) and small shield is still pretty damn good at reducing damage. (but yeah 1600 potency heal on you and ANOTHER target aka nascent flash) isn't weak it really helps both tanks survive a lot better with the DOT effects.

Do I think warrior could have done with a little more? yes But I think it should be lower then any other tank (BY a very very small amount).

[Moebious]

Oblation certainly not lol, TBN + Oblation at the same time? in situations maybe...? .

You do understand, one would combine oblation and TBN, in a comparison with BW, since BW is the upgraded form of Raw Intuition, Warrior didn't get a bonus mitigation ability at 82, they simply had RI upgraded to BW. Meanwhile Drk got Oblation at 82, which in all sense and purposes should have been combined with TBN, and then they should have changed TBN to "break" when its duration ends, regardless or its shield breaking, similar to GNB's HoC heal proc. They could delay its breaking after duration, so it would be an interesting way to "store" an additional attack in for more guaranteed(!) and deliberate fashion. And would finally have Drks using TBN more freely, instead of only in cases of certainty it breaking. It's so infuriating when it doesn't break just because you applied TBN a server tick too soon or late, n the planned auto doesn't proc it in time.


Warrior needs more potency, and its their burst which desperately needs it. PLD's buff to Req phase, is what needs for the IR phase uplift as well.

Also trying to argue against Warrior getting a proper potency uplift because of their sustain from BW, from a PLD no less, is quite the comedy skit. With my nigh full DH melds, my PLD now obliterates my Warrior's burst, while not needing to rely on a 25 second cd for sustain.

[Undeadfire]

Apparently it is, I can see Situations where TBN can be better, but BW is so much better in 80% of those scenarios with no down side of using it incorrectly.

I don't even think TBN is bad But Bloodwhetting is way better it's way more stacked, even if we ignored the Massive self sustain effect, which is good for autos, Dots ect. The 20% (OR 10% + 10%) and small shield is still pretty damn good at reducing damage. (but yeah 1600 potency heal on you and ANOTHER target aka nascent flash) isn't weak it really helps both tanks survive a lot better with the DOT effects.

Do I think warrior could have done with a little more? yes But I think it should be lower then any other tank (BY a very very small amount).

Bloodwhetting wouldn't work out mitigation wise for Drk/Gnb overall, stacking -% values reduces more value than it is actually intending 30%+20% only results around 40-45%. Drk TBN may have drawbacks but it pushes harder on raid buffs, taking advantage of an extra Edge charge, and avoids the % drawback. It works for Warrior since they only have Thrill which is basically selfish long CD TBN, and Equil. It has powerful self healing/HP increases in placement of damage reductions, it's pretty fair to be honest.