Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[Valence]

Its not really assumptions at this point.

Can you elaborate then?

[Divinemights]

Because they hand out dashes and teleport left and right to melee jobs while already having infinite sprint?

Because Bioblaster forces you to get close or keep at range spamming a useless basic attack?

Because even if you deploy the turret on yourself, they can dash on you and get turret zapped, you still get debuffed and the lb is a dash aswell and as machinist there's 0 escape from that?

Are we really gonna pretend it isn't super easy in FL as a melee job to dominate any ranged job?
All ranged physicals are freelo in FL, everyone knows this, why even pretend it's so hard for any melee job at all to get in range and wipe them out? Well except reaper, that's the only melee job you can 100% ignore in fl on any job as it does nothing outside of the LB.

Purely from your description.
You are making it sound that your teammates are doing nothing and let you 1 v 1 with SAM.
When it comes to NA meta of Horde Stampede, that is highly questionable.

[Ransu]

Because they hand out dashes and teleport left and right to melee jobs while already having infinite sprint?

Because Bioblaster forces you to get close or keep at range spamming a useless basic attack?

Because even if you deploy the turret on yourself, they can dash on you and get turret zapped, you still get debuffed and the lb is a dash aswell and as machinist there's 0 escape from that?

Are we really gonna pretend it isn't super easy in FL as a melee job to dominate any ranged job?
All ranged physicals are freelo in FL, everyone knows this, why even pretend it's so hard for any melee job at all to get in range and wipe them out? Well except reaper, that's the only melee job you can 100% ignore in fl on any job as it does nothing outside of the LB.

And yet I have never once been killed by a SAM LB in FL.

I really am enjoying the posts though. Its amazing how many people here are unable to come to terms with the fact they make bad decisions in pvp and just blame everything else.

maybe get a job?

I have one. It pays quite well.

[Llynethil]

Purely from your description.
You are making it sound that your teammates are doing nothing and let you 1 v 1 with SAM.
When it comes to NA meta of Horde Stampede, that is highly questionable.

NA horde meta is target the drk or pala who are invulnerable and nothing else every single time, nobody bothers switching targets ever, it's so easy to jump ranged jobs when you see a drk go in first I do it all the time, and I also pull all enemy drk's and palas off platforms or cliffs when possible because it's the only way to get your mindless zerg to target something else.

[Towa-Musa]

I have one. It pays quite well.

GREAT! now act like it!

[Divinemights]

NA horde meta is target the drk or pala who are invulnerable and nothing else every single time, nobody bothers switching targets ever, it's so easy to jump ranged jobs when you see a drk go in first I do it all the time, and I also pull all enemy drk's and palas off platforms or cliffs when possible because it's the only way to get your mindless zerg to target something else.

Ok, I played a lot Seal Rock tonight than usual and I definitely find this is more of your personal problem.
First of all, the meta you described do not exist, because NA meta has always been Horde Stampede and Ape Strong and basically if you gives the mob a target to focus fire that target will die.
This is NA's strength but also weakness because this meta perform poorly in Secure and Shattered and only works in Seal Rock and Onsal Hakir.
Especially you are on Aether, in which has alot more PvP players than Primal.

Machinist is not the only job with built-in aoe effect, pretty much every job in 6.1 has it.
Takes Monk for example, Enlightenment is a straight line aoe and a primary attack for Monk because of Pressure Point Effect buff
Riddle of Earth outputs a pathetic AOE damage but it is the lifeline for Monk to stay alive
Monk has longest ramp up time to the primary damamge move Meterodrive and that means I am always in SAM's attack range.
However, I literally has no issue with SAM because their LB is simply too easy to play around and they really don't have the burst ability without LB.

Takes this suggestion, makes a countdown macro created by Japanese and just put on SAM on Frontline
The overwhelming attack and stunlocks will either force them to retreat or they die before they can LB
Not to mention Machiens has effective range stun.

[Towa-Musa]

Ok, I played a lot Seal Rock tonight than usual and I definitely find this is more of your personal problem.
First of all, the meta you described do not exist, because NA meta has always been Horde Stampede and Ape Strong and basically if you gives the mob a target to focus fire that target will die.
This is NA's strength but also weakness because this meta perform poorly in Secure and Shattered and only works in Seal Rock and Onsal Hakir.
Especially you are on Aether, in which has alot more PvP players than Primal.

Machinist is not the only job with built-in aoe effect, pretty much every job in 6.1 has it.
Takes Monk for example, Enlightenment is a straight line aoe and a primary attack for Monk because of Pressure Point Effect buff
Riddle of Earth outputs a pathetic AOE damage but it is the lifeline for Monk to stay alive
Monk has longest ramp up time to the primary damamge move Meterodrive and that means I am always in SAM's attack range.
However, I literally has no issue with SAM because their LB is simply too easy to play around and they really don't have the burst ability without LB.

Takes this suggestion, makes a countdown macro created by Japanese and just put on SAM on Frontline
The overwhelming attack and stunlocks will either force them to retreat or they die before they can LB
Not to mention Machiens has effective range stun.

lol the fact that you have to literally stunlock 1 samurai with like 10+ people, proves the entire point of this thread.

[Divinemights]

lol the fact that you have to literally stunlock 1 samurai with like 10+ people, proves the entire point of this thread.

If you are looking for one vs one, you are in the wrong game.
If you are looking for advantage gained from gear stats, you are in the wrong game
If your ideal balance is to keep your KD looking better, you are also in the wrong game
This expansion is balance on synergy of jobs, this not 5.1 version any more, so you need to get over with it.
Be adpoted to the changes or forever ranting about something will never happen like you currently are.

[Llynethil]

Especially you are on Aether, in which has alot more PvP players than Primal.n.

Balmung is on crystal datacenter, not Aether? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

But incase you wanna know the kind of people that are on Crystal here's 3 games of tonight:
First game people can't cope with losing so they claim enemy is speedhacking, which they aren't, they prob saw bard lb or war lb.
Second game I get to watch more then half the raid fall to a drk+drg combo 5 times in a row.
Third game I get to watch 3/4 of my raid get hammer and anviled 3 times in a game because none of them know what the M key does.

Trust me, nobody changes targets and everybody just attacks the invulnerable drk's and pala's all game long.

You really think these people are gonna care about a mark on a sam?
Let alone the fact that the "counterplay" to sam is mark them and hope 24 people go for it? Like for real?

And I play war, I got 3 aoe's on my basic skills too, I never get sam lb'd unless I intentionally risk it if I think catching a bunch of enemies in my aoe is worth me sacrificing myself, that doesn't mean other jobs are as minimally affected as mine, like how apparently frazzle also triggers chiten, despite it doing no damage and chiten stating it only reacts to damage, that is just absolute nonsense.

[Towa-Musa]

If you are looking for one vs one, you are in the wrong game.
If you are looking for advantage gained from gear stats, you are in the wrong game
If your ideal balance is to keep your KD looking better, you are also in the wrong game
This expansion is balance on synergy of jobs, this not 5.1 version any more, so you need to get over with it.
Be adpoted to the changes or forever ranting about something will never happen like you currently are.

Lol this person... yeah no, you're wrong just admit it. its okay to be wrong buddy.

The fact that you have nothing other then accusatory remarks regarding what i /want/ and what some other people might want because it sounds /fun/
Means you have NOTHING to say regarding what i just said earlier in the thread... so just sit there and look pretty because at this point your opinion is not all that great and constantly degrading
Others opinion just because you assume its a skill issue does not make you look like somebody who has a opinion worth listening to... infact both you and ransu... for the most part have been just dismissing others for no /valid/ reason, and its scummy.

TLDR its okay to be wrong but don't degrade others just because nobody agrees with your stinky opinion.