Why is it so common to join extremes without watching a guide first?

[Deveryn]

All of the old FF series did not have "guides" on YouTube. We played the game and figured it out. Sometimes a month or two later some company would write a "guide" for the game and you could pick it up at your gaming store. Most people prefer to learn and play games before reading a "guide" not to mention spoilers. Carry on.

Extremes have no spoilers, so that's a poor excuse for not knowing anything about a fight.

If people don't know a fight or want to do blind prog, that's fine. Just be honest about it and don't waste people's time when they're trying to prog later phases.

[Saranade]

Extremes have no spoilers, so that's a poor excuse for not knowing anything about a fight.

If people don't know a fight or want to do blind prog, that's fine. Just be honest about it and don't waste people's time when they're trying to prog later phases.

I'm so sorry you require a hand holding guide for every fight in FFXIV. You would have had a lot of trouble with the earlier Final Fantasy series, and I can speak for everyone who played them back "in the day." If you want people to have watched a guide, put that in your PF, if you're joining DF I would absolutely expect people to perhaps have never watched a guide or want to.

[SturmChurro]

If you want people to have watched a guide, put that in your PF, if you're joining DF I would absolutely expect people to perhaps have never watched a guide or want to.

Unfortunately, players still join PF parties regardless of where they have progged, and many are certainly not ready for a farm party. It doesn't matter what you put in your PF listing.

[EnigmaticDodo]

If people are joining through Duty Finder, they more than likely are newer players and don't know about how PF works or what to expect from Extremes. That's how I used to run Shiva EX when I was new back in stormblood. Just sit in DF. It worked. Essentially blind ran it w/ people and came really close to winning, but yeah. You're getting people who don't know what's up.

[SassyAssassin]

Ok people dont seem to understand what I mean.

Why join and ask for the strat written in party chat when you can easily read the strat on google?

Offering guidance is one thing, rewriting the mechanics for you as soon as you join the party makes no sense when you can just go to google to read before that and save everybody some time.

Some mechanics are so lengthy to explain (Thordan?) that more often than not nobody gets to finish and they maybe would if you would have read beforehand. And I can understand you can’t remember everything, but you will remember at least SOMETHING that in the end will make the whole run smoother for everybody.

If you want to do a blind run then join and say that. Don’t join and ask for the full written guide when that is accessible literally everywhere online.

It makes NO difference.

If you learn by doing then congratulations, everyone learns that way, thats not even the point, but don’t join asking people to write down for you something you can find in ten seconds to begin with.

[SassyAssassin]

If people are joining through Duty Finder, they more than likely are newer players and don't know about how PF works or what to expect from Extremes. That's how I used to run Shiva EX when I was new back in stormblood. Just sit in DF. It worked. Essentially blind ran it w/ people and came really close to winning, but yeah. You're getting people who don't know what's up.

Yes many people do that and it can work for sure if we all work together! I even like doing it!

[Saranade]

Ok people dont seem to understand what I mean.

Why join and ask for the strat written in party chat when you can easily read the strat on google?

Offering guidance is one thing, rewriting the mechanics for you as soon as you join the party makes no sense when you can just go to google to read before that and save everybody some time.

If you want to do a blind run then join and say that. Don’t join and ask for the full written guide when that is accessible literally everywhere online.

It makes NO difference.

If you learn by doing then congratulations, everyone learns that way, thats not even the point, but don’t join asking people to write down for you something you can find in ten seconds to begin with.

Right, in other words, demanding people watch a guide isn't working out so well, even if you explicitly say so in PF. Maybe its you, not them? I get it, your point is simply - don't join a "guided" group blind, however it just doesn't seem to be working out does it?

[VerdeLuck]

They just straight up do not read the description in Party Finder. I've run blind prog groups for a lot of the recent content and I still get about 1 person every run who joins a clearly marked blind group, then drops markers and starts explaining mechanics.
People who play this game just have an aversion to reading.

[Kuroka]

Here. I cant learn shit from watching a vid first, if all, i die even more as i constantly wait for a mechanic or mess it because of not remembering fast enough. I always clear blind and only then watch a guide to get teh idea of how its done generally in PF lol

[Deveryn]

I'm so sorry you require a hand holding guide for every fight in FFXIV. You would have had a lot of trouble with the earlier Final Fantasy series, and I can speak for everyone who played them back "in the day." If you want people to have watched a guide, put that in your PF, if you're joining DF I would absolutely expect people to perhaps have never watched a guide or want to.

Cut the gaslighting bullshit. Don't assume to know me or my gaming history from that one statement. There's nothing wrong with knowing what you're up against. It's hardly hand holding because there's still learning to be done, connecting what you've seen to what's going on in real time. If anyone's looking for hand holding, it's those people I mentioned that can't seem to be bothered to really study a fight. Next thing you know, they show up in Duty Complete Farm parties STILL making mistakes like they never did it before.

Lest we forget, there are those who run all manner of plugins to tell them where to go. That's the real braindead hand holding.