Why is it so common to join extremes without watching a guide first?

[Deveryn]

You know what you have achieved I am now quitting this forum there is no point in arguing with you
I present facts every time and the only thing you can do is despise me and call me a troll while liking your friends' posts to give the impression that you are in the right you are so pathetic
I never saw any argument, nothing
You only want to censor and harass anyone who goes against your miserable worldview
Every time they tell me that my topic will be deleted or blah blah blah but I never got anything because I was always in the right but it bothers fascists like you

Continue to post on this topic to say peasant nonsense

I'm tired of wasting my time with you, it's just impossible to discuss with adults who behave like children, there are only beta or women here bye.

Finally I understand a bit better why gm and devs don't post here anymore

Lies and fabrications! (as I thought)

I always considered it pathetic to look at a guide before fighting a boss...
Are you that afraid of defeat?
Are you afraid to learn by yourself and to think?

Of course when I create a pf I specify each time that it is a training when I am alone but when I am with friends it is much better.

Try to have a team of friends to play with, it's better than anything to progress by thinking together to defeat the boss.

Again with talking shit about people. I bet you're one of those dishonest people I talked about, making PFs drag on longer than they should.

By looking at a guide, I've been able to carry 7 slackers through things like O4S unsync at 80 It was a thankless job, but I got my mount that much faster and was able to leave that fight behind.

[Ivtrix]

Joining a full blind group without watching a video is fine.

Joining a fresh prog group or semi prog group with established strats listed and going in fully blind is very disrespectful.

Please read PF descriptions and use good judgement

[Jin-]

Blind run is fun. If I watch a guide what's the point of even finishing the content since no meaningful rewards

[Packetdancer]

I can tell you point blank: watching a video does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me. I could watch a video 500x it probably wouldnt make a lick of difference to my performance in the actual fight. That doesn't make me stupid, its just the difference between my learning style and someone else's.

I mean, I will certainly not actually properly understand a mechanic until I see it in play in the duty. Partly because I don't find videos are easily internalized, but also because many videos explain the strat, not the mechanic.

That may seem like an inconsequential difference, but it is not. At least not to me.

If I understand the strat, I can execute it. If I understand the mechanic, I can adapt to whatever strat gets thrown at me in PF, because I understand the mechanic, thus I can see why the strat works, which makes it much easier to remember/internalize.

I'll still watch videos if I'm not going into blind prog, because it's useful data to take in (and helps my understanding of the mechanic gel much faster), but I certainly don't learn the strat just from the video.

1 week in or more and its basically expected that you watch a guide, or join a 'blind prog' party finder.

This is, I think, also partly a datacenter culture difference; here on Primal, it takes about 6 hours after something comes out before PF expects you to have watched all the strat videos. I actually really enjoy blind prog; I've just resigned myself to the fact that if a patch lands at 6am, by noon -- 3pm at the latest -- the only way I'm going to get a blind prog party is if I make it myself and hope enough people actually want to do that that it fills.

Usually I just sigh and go watch the strat videos. I like blind prog, but I like doing content at all better, so.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deveryn]

I mean, I will certainly not actually properly understand a mechanic until I see it in play in the duty. Partly because I don't find videos are easily internalized, but also because many videos explain the strat, not the mechanic.

This is why I always go with Mizzteq vids. Most of it is explaining what happens and I can see what to look for and what it looks like. It's a bit of a wait for those to come out, but by the time they do people have more or less settled on strats.

I'm cool with blind runs on anything below this level of play, but in extremes it's very troublesome and problematic to go in and have people be as indecisive and impatient as they are in the NA region. I just don't have the patience for dealing with randos like that.

[Espon]

Mentor Roulette is a big gamble.

If I'm not having to defeat Bockman multiple times a day, I sometimes end up in a level 60 dungeon with a tank wearing mostly level 50 job gear, or I'm replacing that tank 40 minutes into the run because the group finally got tired of them.

If I do get an extreme, then it's very likely that anyone in there that isn't a mentor is going in blind. I find that the people that queue for extremes are usually new to the game and aren't expecting something so difficult so they have little reason to watch a guide beforehand.

[ArchlordPie]

They just straight up do not read the description in Party Finder. I've run blind prog groups for a lot of the recent content and I still get about 1 person every run who joins a clearly marked blind group, then drops markers and starts explaining mechanics.
People who play this game just have an aversion to reading.

I literally had this happen for P5S. Listed as blind prog, queued in, waymarks start going up before I even have a chance to click the ready check button. I hit the Clear Waymarks button, waymarks start going up again. I clear them again and ready check, 6 people ready up immediately and waymarks are still getting placed, I leave and kick the guy who didn't ready up. Got a bit of an essay from him in response to that, but I just asked him "what part of blind prog did you not understand" and blocked him.

[NekoMataMata]

Then you fail the exam, so stop whining when the kids who did study got a better grade than you and don't want you around their group sessions to distract them.

Not sure why you're so aggressive. OP asked a question and I gave an answer. I didn't support said answer nor did I complain about said answer.

[Avoidy]

Mentor roulette expectations always seemed a little ridiculous to me, as someone who doesn't queue it because I'm missing some levequests and just can't be bothered. Imagine being dumped into some extreme that you haven't done in like five years and just being expected to not only know how to do it yourself (a big ask; most people unsync older stuff as their "clear" of it) but to also be able to guide other people who might be utterly clueless about the game as a whole.

The only time I queued up for EX content was a Leviathan Extreme. Just the ARR one. This was back when getting knocked over the edge was permadeath. I queued in to help a friend, who'd done it in the queue synced and was sad that a dps had left and they couldn't fill the spot. I joined it "in progress" and wasted the next hour of my life because nobody in the group could follow basic instructions. Our first handful of wipes were in the first minute of the fight, when adds would spawn and our tank simply didn't pick them up. Told him repeatedly that he needed to grab the additional mobs (I didn't even use the term "adds" in case he was legit new new) and he just ignored me until it finally sank in. Then the gates around the perimeter went down, and even when I put a giant white circle over my head and jumped up and down while running to the safe spot (this was after 3 failed runs to this mechanic specifically; I did give them a chance to do it blind but I was tired and getting literally nothing out of this) they'd still just stand in place and get blasted off the edge. Finally the timer ran out and I got the hell out of there.

i can't imagine subjecting myself to this bullshit every day by queuing mentor roulette.

[DiaDeem]

I used to set PFs that read something like this

"Titania EX Blind Learning Party - No Experience/Video Required! Be willing to listen and learn!"

I may do that again later in EW's life span. It was fun for Titania.