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    Normally I'd say there's nothing wrong with blind prog if everyone's on the same page, but you're doing mentor roulette so you're kinda asking for it at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyAssassin View Post
    Before I start Ill add as a disclaimer that this post is not meant to discourage anyone from doing extremes.
    Why should I watch a guide? Watching one before I have done the instance will teach me practically nothing. I won't remember much of all the random crap anyway, and even if I do, I won't be able to recognize the mechanics in time for it do any good.
    It is only after I have done an instance for real at least once that the guides start making sense. Then I can watch them to learn how to handle any mechanics I couldn't figure out by myself.

    All of this applies equally to normal difficulty as well as to extremes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
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    Yes sorry I forgot to mention I am referring to duty finder and not party finder!

    I understand wanting to do a blind run for the fun of it when the other people agree as well of course.

    This was more for people joining an extreme through duty finder sometimes waiting over half an hour in queue and during the entire time still not researching even a bit beforehand.
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    Tbh I don't like having my food cut and chewed for me, so if I can enter content without a guide I will. If there is a limitation about a party finder asking you know the fight or seen a guide, then I will do that, otherwise I will keep things fresh.
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    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    *runs mentor roulettes as a mentor*
    m8, YOU are the tutorial video. Now earn that 2 seater~!
    In this case I should probably also learn french along the way xD
    And oh Im earning it…856 out of 2000 and just now I start going a tiny bit insane.
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    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Tbh I don't like having my food cut and chewed for me, so if I can enter content without a guide I will. If there is a limitation about a party finder asking you know the fight or seen a guide, then I will do that, otherwise I will keep things fresh.
    I wasn’t referring to pf sorry, I meant duty finder, in my opinion entering a fight that consists of other people, completely unprepared and unwilling to listen is having your food cut and chewed out for you.
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    I rarely watch guides. Often they contain to much information. The thing is they don't tend to give you is much sense of timing. So you watch a guide you can be watching out for so many things at once. That mechanic your watching out might be a full minute after the last one or it might be 4 or 5 seconds. And if you're spending a full minute looking around trying to see the tells for a mechanic that is a long time off then it becomes a question of how much stuff don't you see.?

    The only real time I tend to use guides is if something doesn't make sense to me.. typically this is usually some form of colour mechanic where I can't see... like recently p5 i think it is apparently has green and yellow puddles on the floor. I can't see the difference I just see lots of puddles all the same colour.

    Or the last boss of alzaddals legacy with the curtains..

    So I'll watch a video pause it and usually spot alternative ways to identify. Such as shapes. Makes more sense.

    As for duty finder the problem. Is less about guides and more about the disparity between normal and extreme.. the normal modes really should teach you the basics of the extreme bit often they don't they're just roflstomps
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    Last edited by Dzian; 09-19-2022 at 02:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyAssassin View Post
    I should have also noted that I am referring to duty finder and not pf, but I cant reedit the post on my phone.
    Yes you can, it's called desktop version( or might be called desktop site). Mobile version is the default version for phones. The browser will have it has an option to switch between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    *runs mentor roulettes as a mentor*
    m8, YOU are the tutorial video. Now earn that 2 seater~!
    Often times they don't come to learn and openly ignore everything and hope trying for the 67th time will suddenly make the boss not wipe because of mechanics. 9/10 times its better to just take the 30 minute than wasting 60 minute.
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    If people want to do something blind that's fine. But it's not blind if they immediately ask what to do. In mentor roulette I will typically wait a few wipes to give input just in case someone is actually wanting to do it blind and because most my advice will likely go over people's heads without context. I think if players do truly want a blind experience it's best to do it through PF as they can specify that's what they want in the description and get the full experience of everyone getting to figure out the content together. DF you might be getting players that will immediately spoil the fight.

    As for the expectation that the mentor is the tutorial, there's a limit to what you can explain through text. I remember when I got Tsukuyomi EX in mentor roulette one time, people couldn't understand meteors no matter how hard I tried to explain it. So I ended up having to pull out Photoshop and make a quick diagram, upload it to imgur, and link it. Only then could people understand how that mechanic was done because people weren't understanding it with text and markers. Not every mentor is going to be equipped with an art program and mentors on console wouldn't have been able to do what I did. I think the bulk of ARR EX trials can be easily explained through text, but later fights can get trickier, so looking at a guide before queuing isn't a bad idea.
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