Why is it so common to join extremes without watching a guide first?

[NekoMataMata]

Then you fail the exam, so stop whining when the kids who did study got a better grade than you and don't want you around their group sessions to distract them.

Not sure why you're so aggressive. OP asked a question and I gave an answer. I didn't support said answer nor did I complain about said answer.

[Midareyukki]

Not sure why you're so aggressive. OP asked a question and I gave an answer. I didn't support said answer nor did I complain about said answer.

How's that aggressive? xD

Anyway, the reason I say that is because I was being accused of being impatient not long before you said that. Basically you used the same words they did, so the cap fit.

Essentially, at least for me and people who think like I do, it's not really about being impatient at all. It depends on the content and on the context. If it's a Trial or a Raid, you won't have the same type of ease as a dungeon boss (unless it's designed to be a cakewalk). And if it's a Normal Raid vs a Savage Raid, there are differences on how you approach them. Normal Raids imply that you can go in and do whatever, mistakes happen and it's disorganized enough, yet people clear with minimal difficulty. Savage raids require a bit more organization and coordination, so you'll approach it with a mindset fit for that. If you choose to go in blindly on Normal Raids, odds are people will explain to you what's going on. But you'll use PF for Savage most likely, and normally people don't want you to go in blind unless they specifically specify it's okay.

And your analogy with tests or exams really doesn't work. Because it does sound like you're saying "People might want to study for an exam, but studying is boring and they don't want to do it". Which is... really weird? In an exam, usually you only have one try (two if your school's nice to you). On a fight, people tend to wipe, and if they're not the sort of jerks that leave on the first wipe, they'll stay and be understandable.
If you don't study for a test, odds are you'll fail.
If you don't watch a guide for a FF14 fight, odds are there are mechanics you'll know, stuff you won't, and people will be happy to explain.
The only time they won't be happy to explain things to you is if you join a group that specifically doesn't want to go blind. This on PF. On DF, there's common sense; you can't expect people to be good on dungeons or trials they've never done, but if they're consistently wiping to the same thing, it's kind of a sign that you need to swallow your pride and listen :x
You not studying for a test will raise the odds of you failing. And I assume this is the same in every school, but you're not allowed to ask people what to do during the exam .
You not studying any guide for a savage fight means that other people will now have to deal with you either figuring yourself out or have people explain stuff to you.

It's the same as my example with the party that refused to listen in SoS. They chose not to listen to me at all, and thus wiped a fourth time. I can't hand them the win on a silver platter. And that information was there.
It won't be there during an exam. So you choosing not to study screws you over and you alone, not seven other people.

[Vespar]

I can tell you point blank: watching a video does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me. I could watch a video 500x it probably wouldnt make a lick of difference to my performance in the actual fight. That doesn't make me stupid, its just the difference between my learning style and someone else's. Not everyone learns the same. Some are hands-on, some are visual, some are verbal, some are able to easily extrapolate from text.
To each their own, what I'd like to see more of is learning parties being more welcoming and less abrasive. If you're all learning then accept that there will be failures, in some cases many! Be patient and at the end of the day we'll all be masters of the fight!

[PharisHanasaki]

Since nobody is reading the original post, probably too long, let me ask you in a shorter and different way:

Why dont you read or watch the strat online if you dont want to do a blind run and instead you ask people to write down the entire strat for you in party finder as soon as you join the party either way, when you could have googled five minutes prior?

Because guides take away from the fun. Imagine getting a new game and watching a playthrough before starting... Makes no sense, right? Also, there's the fact that some guides are so old the strats have changed. I once got MB Ultima Weapon on mentor roulette, and this guy watched a guide and he was making us wipe because he wanted EVERYONE to do as he said. I let him wipe us until he lost it, and finally yielded. Once I explained what to do, we cleared on one go and he apologized.

If you want people waching guides just say so in pf, and kick them if they don't, you warned them. But you can't expect every human being to think the same way as you. I personally like doing content on patch day to avoid people like you, that complain about others not watching guides. For savage, it's a different story.

It's an MMO, you're going to run into different playstyles. You can find like minded people to run content if so you wish, or eat a penalty, that's what it is for.

[DixieBellOCE]

Since nobody is reading the original post, probably too long, let me ask you in a shorter and different way:

Why dont you read or watch the strat online if you dont want to do a blind run and instead you ask people to write down the entire strat for you in party finder as soon as you join the party either way, when you could have googled five minutes prior?

Excuses from people saying that they like to do blind runs go straight out of the window when the first thing they do as they join the party is ask for the strat.

That’s not blind. Thats reading the strat in that chat box vs a google page.
If you want blind then join and say you want a blind run. Dont join and ask people to write you the strat.

Edit again: I do stay and help people until the end as a mentor, Ill even requeue with them if they couldn’t complete, and I will guide as much as possible whenever there are mistakes, that wasn’t even the question or implication here, but yes, mentor bad.

Yes this is in duty finder but if you want to talk about pf too thats fine with me.

I'm going to get flamed for this:

I queue into DF on day 1 on JP servers and learn the fight alongside everyone else.
People rip into me saying i should 'know the fight' before using DF, but day 1, nobody knows the fight, its a learning experience and the most fun part of new content.

1 week in or more and its basically expected that you watch a guide, or join a 'blind prog' party finder.

By that time everyone that actually cares about blind prog is mostly done with the content

[Packetdancer]

I can tell you point blank: watching a video does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for me. I could watch a video 500x it probably wouldnt make a lick of difference to my performance in the actual fight. That doesn't make me stupid, its just the difference between my learning style and someone else's.

I mean, I will certainly not actually properly understand a mechanic until I see it in play in the duty. Partly because I don't find videos are easily internalized, but also because many videos explain the strat, not the mechanic.

That may seem like an inconsequential difference, but it is not. At least not to me.

If I understand the strat, I can execute it. If I understand the mechanic, I can adapt to whatever strat gets thrown at me in PF, because I understand the mechanic, thus I can see why the strat works, which makes it much easier to remember/internalize.

I'll still watch videos if I'm not going into blind prog, because it's useful data to take in (and helps my understanding of the mechanic gel much faster), but I certainly don't learn the strat just from the video.

1 week in or more and its basically expected that you watch a guide, or join a 'blind prog' party finder.

This is, I think, also partly a datacenter culture difference; here on Primal, it takes about 6 hours after something comes out before PF expects you to have watched all the strat videos. I actually really enjoy blind prog; I've just resigned myself to the fact that if a patch lands at 6am, by noon -- 3pm at the latest -- the only way I'm going to get a blind prog party is if I make it myself and hope enough people actually want to do that that it fills.

Usually I just sigh and go watch the strat videos. I like blind prog, but I like doing content at all better, so.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deveryn]

I mean, I will certainly not actually properly understand a mechanic until I see it in play in the duty. Partly because I don't find videos are easily internalized, but also because many videos explain the strat, not the mechanic.

This is why I always go with Mizzteq vids. Most of it is explaining what happens and I can see what to look for and what it looks like. It's a bit of a wait for those to come out, but by the time they do people have more or less settled on strats.

I'm cool with blind runs on anything below this level of play, but in extremes it's very troublesome and problematic to go in and have people be as indecisive and impatient as they are in the NA region. I just don't have the patience for dealing with randos like that.

[HanWenqing]

I always considered it pathetic to look at a guide before fighting a boss...
Are you that afraid of defeat?
Are you afraid to learn by yourself and to think?

Of course when I create a pf I specify each time that it is a training when I am alone but when I am with friends it is much better.

Try to have a team of friends to play with, it's better than anything to progress by thinking together to defeat the boss.

[Deveryn]

You know what you have achieved I am now quitting this forum there is no point in arguing with you
I present facts every time and the only thing you can do is despise me and call me a troll while liking your friends' posts to give the impression that you are in the right you are so pathetic
I never saw any argument, nothing
You only want to censor and harass anyone who goes against your miserable worldview
Every time they tell me that my topic will be deleted or blah blah blah but I never got anything because I was always in the right but it bothers fascists like you

Continue to post on this topic to say peasant nonsense

I'm tired of wasting my time with you, it's just impossible to discuss with adults who behave like children, there are only beta or women here bye.

Finally I understand a bit better why gm and devs don't post here anymore

Lies and fabrications! (as I thought)

I always considered it pathetic to look at a guide before fighting a boss...
Are you that afraid of defeat?
Are you afraid to learn by yourself and to think?

Of course when I create a pf I specify each time that it is a training when I am alone but when I am with friends it is much better.

Try to have a team of friends to play with, it's better than anything to progress by thinking together to defeat the boss.

Again with talking shit about people. I bet you're one of those dishonest people I talked about, making PFs drag on longer than they should.

By looking at a guide, I've been able to carry 7 slackers through things like O4S unsync at 80 It was a thankless job, but I got my mount that much faster and was able to leave that fight behind.

[Ivtrix]

Joining a full blind group without watching a video is fine.

Joining a fresh prog group or semi prog group with established strats listed and going in fully blind is very disrespectful.

Please read PF descriptions and use good judgement