The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Midareyukki]

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this. Maybe if that period's detractors had been taken more seriously that game might still be worth playing and that same loud "everything is fine" group would have more than a toxic echo chamber.

I'll do you one better. The old EQ forums was like this before and during WoW's initial dropped.

:x If I may ask, what exactly happened? Like, what are you referring to? And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

[SturmChurro]

And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

It could, but I think there'd need to be some new, major, competitors to the scene. Many will still stay due to it being FF though, and for the RP scene, etc. (although, housing is currently a big issue, and is lacking compared to even certain other current competitors)

[Midareyukki]

It could, but I think there'd need to be some new, major, competitors to the scene.

I don't really see that happening as it stands. FF14's grown rather large and is known for some stuff that other communities probably cannot boast.
But I'm sure so too did World of Warcraft. And that one was\still is rather large. Yet people keep mentioning Cataclysm like it was an actual cataclysm.

[Thaciscokidd]

:x If I may ask, what exactly happened? Like, what are you referring to? And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

It could, but I think there'd need to be some new, major, competitors to the scene.

Like a really big company with a game with a lot of fans, money, and stacking people with MMO skills.

Riot's MMO

[Midareyukki]

Like a really big company with a game with a lot of fans, money, and stacking people with MMO skills.

Riot's MMO

If I can't play as a Vastaya in that game I WILL Riot alright. And that's me being kind. I want to play whatever Ornn and Volibear are.


>,> but I digress

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Man the Forums are a miserable place.
....but at least it manages to be entertaining

[SturmChurro]

I don't really see that happening as it stands. FF14's grown rather large and is known for some stuff that other communities probably cannot boast.
But I'm sure so too did World of Warcraft. And that one was\still is rather large. Yet people keep mentioning Cataclysm like it was an actual cataclysm.

Well, FFXIV has certain strengths, it has a loyal FF fanbase, a heavy RP scene (whether players like it or not), but it's quite lacking in terms of staying content. Much of the content that is introduced is seemingly abandoned by each expansion's end. This isn't even to mention many in the playerbase being split by story concerns, or job balancing.

Right now, there aren't really many actual competitors in the genre. Yeah, WoW does still have a fairly large playerbase, for the time being, but it's nothing like what it was. FFXIV "going the way of WoW" doesn't necessarily mean it would truly 'die', but we are definitely seeing the cracks forming in many different aspects.

Like a really big company with a game with a lot of fans, money, and stacking people with MMO skills.

Riot's MMO

There are two potential big competitors, although one might be fairly niche. Ashes of Creation, and Riot's new MMO. We'll have to wait and see how they go.

[Darthgummibear]

Well, FFXIV has certain strengths, it has a loyal FF fanbase, a heavy RP scene (whether players like it or not), but it's quite lacking in terms of staying content. Much of the content that is introduced is seemingly abandoned by each expansion's end. This isn't even to mention many in the playerbase being split by story concerns, or job balancing.

Right now, there aren't really many actual competitors in the genre. Yeah, WoW does still have a fairly large playerbase, for the time being, but it's nothing like what it was. FFXIV "going the way of WoW" doesn't necessarily mean it would truly 'die', but we are definitely seeing the cracks forming in many different aspects.

There are two potential big competitors, although one might be fairly niche. Ashes of Creation, and Riot's new MMO. We'll have to wait and see how they go.

Two things about WoW... 1) it's remaining player-base isn't anywhere as near as large as some people seem to think it is and 2) A lot of those are proverbial "lifers" who the game gained during it's height because there was no competition and simply never left. Every MMO ever has a certain amount of the second, WoW just has more of them than usual because of the timing in gaming history. This is why I scoff every time people bring it up.

As for the other two upcoming MMO's, it will be interesting to see. Personally I wish Wildstar had done better. That game hit a nail really hard that nothing else came close to since.

[Thaciscokidd]

Two things about WoW... 1) it's remaining player-base isn't anywhere as near as large as some people seem to think it is and 2) A lot of those are proverbial "lifers" who the game gained during it's height because there was no competition and simply never left. Every MMO ever has a certain amount of the second, WoW just has more of them than usual because of the timing in gaming history. This is why I scoff every time people bring it up.

MMO population is like a Schrödinger's Cat situation. We can argue and speculate all day and night but we will never know unless we are told. Which I kinda prefer in all situations(Here and in WoW), I'd rather keep shareholders at arms length than having them freak out at a drop in subs that might lead to an overcorrection.

There are two potential big competitors, although one might be fairly niche. Ashes of Creation, and Riot's new MMO. We'll have to wait and see how they go.

Ashes always seems like Star Citizen to me. I'll believe it when I see an actual playable copy. But Riot's has the potential to be very dangerous for all current MMO's. Between Josh Strife Hayes and Necrit's video's I honestly believe that Riot is going to have to do some majorly bad stuff for it to flop.

[xenahawk]

No no thanks. They still can't fix housing yet every single MMO out there has gotten housing right yet this idea seems to escape them. Character customization is lacking and needs a overhaul. UI is outdated and needs improvement. Job balancing is broken and they still can't get it right. The list goes on. Why after all these years they can't fix it?

One word WOW. Right off the top of my head thats an MMO that doesnt have any player housing and seriously this game has a better handle on job balancing then most others out there. There are some differences but thats partly for the sake of having classes feel different. There is already a big outcry from players over they feel the ff team is making the classes feel too similar to each other.