The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[MichiKyou]

I still enjoy the game.
But I do think the split of developers between XVI and XIV shows a lot now with the current tier.
Balance is at its worst for classes. For the fact in RDPS that there is over 1000:1 clears from DNC:MCH.

Design philosophy changing from 'No we dont take into account how difficult a job is' to 'Oh, we totally do now.'

It leaves a lot to be desired for the raiding community.

[Kes13a]

idk, the only reason this thread is still alive is because people keep coming in and insulting people with standards by labeling them as 'haters'.

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

[AwesomeJr44]

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

The people who freak out upon seeing critics of the game and resort to screaming at the top of their lungs and calling critics 'haters' are indeed white knights for the game. And considering that even the OP of the thread was one of said white knights, devoting half of their OP to insulting anyone who doesn't kiss SE's boots... if the shoe fits. What's your point?

By the way, people who merely thank SE are not 'white knights', don't take that as me saying as much. I think they could raise their standards for praise a bit, but they are not white knights. The white knights are specifically the people trying to silence critics of the game by labeling them as haters who should be ignored. (Example: Silverbane)

This is an example of a white knight:

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

This is not praising the devs. It's taking shots at people who don't shower the devs with praise even when they mess up. They are trying to minimize valid concerns to make the game seem better than it actually is.

Oh wow, they patched new lines into your script!

Yeah, it's part of the 6.2 update.

I think the people who don't want that to happen probably should have thought twice about coming into threads committed to compile criticism and feedback only to go off on lengthy tangents about how the game is fine and exceedingly popular and that any opposition exists solely in the form of a vocal minority.

But Theodric... you're not respecting Striker's majoritah!!! You simply must remember that Endwalker was the 'most popular expansion ever' (TM) and that anyone who disagrees is in the minoritah, and thus must respect the factual opinions of those in the majoritah.

Kind of like how the people tired of Venat being criticised and held accountable probably should not have spent months or years declaring loudly that there was never, ever an excuse or justification for genocide only to change their tune as soon as their precious 'mOmMy GoDdEsS' became complicit in such acts herself.

Uh oh. Someone said the V word! What's the ETA on SannaR, Mightymollusk, or Boblawblah screaming their head off because someone mentioned a character in the game?

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

Their intent was to either start this mess, or to insult critics of the game. They wore their motives on their sleeve. It's 100% one of those two, the question is just which one, and it's not like either are particularly great.

[Lauront]

To give a reminder that most people playing the game really enjoy it, and acknowledgment that the forum community is the smallest minuscule piece of sand on the beach that is the playerbase?

Oh wow, they patched new lines into your script!

But Theodric... you're not respecting Striker's majoritah!!! You simply must remember that Endwalker was the 'most popular expansion ever' (TM) and that anyone who disagrees is in the minoritah, and thus must respect the factual opinions of those in the majoritah.

We are but grains of sand before Striker's Mt Majoritah.

[GTK0HLK]

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

and both can be done without being slightly to the other side.[despite the fact they are the same side, except some lean more towards one aspect than the other.]
or simply put argue for the sake of arguing.

this will keep going on and on til people realize.
that the main people conversing one side have been pretty fair. even giving examples of when no one objects.

while the other ignores the OP's slight, and just parrot.

it ends with people just leaving the conversation, and knowing that the thread was started on the wrong foot. By someone with clear intention to cover the feedback given by mostly level headed people.

and when some try to explain their reasoning. others come in and act black and white about it.<from both sides>

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

[Theodric]

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

I think the people who don't want that to happen probably should have thought twice about coming into threads committed to compile criticism and feedback only to go off on lengthy tangents about how the game is fine and exceedingly popular and that any opposition exists solely in the form of a vocal minority.

Kind of like how the people tired of Venat being criticised and held accountable probably should not have spent months or years declaring loudly that there was never, ever an excuse or justification for genocide only to change their tune as soon as their precious 'mOmMy GoDdEsS' became complicit in such acts herself.

[Kes13a]

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

also seems to be a huge disconnect between "praise" and "thanks"

I enjoy the game, so gave thanks for that, praise is a different story. there are flaws and while one can only assume they are working on them, I dont see a lot of areas for outright praise as being done in a really noteworthy way. those definitions are not equal, as some seem to think.

[AwesomeJr44]

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

Let me ask you this. Even if you disagree with me or others when we put forth criticism of something you like, what kind of culture do you want for the forums?

A forums where we are allowed to be honest, and both positivity and negativity have a place? A place where opinions can be shared freely?

Or a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where only one side of the debate is allowed? Where one side of the debate encompasses everything and anything to the contrary is silenced and expelled?

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

[Axxion]

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

so my question to you is. what about those people that are emotionally invested into this? If you haven't notice 14 community is emotionally driven to a point other people call it a cult. Should we bring up the lazy peon problem? or quin?

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

Let me ask you this. Even if you disagree with me or others when we put forth criticism of something you like, what kind of culture do you want for the forums?

A forums where we are allowed to be honest, and both positivity and negativity have a place? A place where opinions can be shared freely?

Or a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where only one side of the debate is allowed? Where one side of the debate encompasses everything and anything to the contrary is silenced and expelled?

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

Truth be told i rather people be honest.

And beside everybody know what twitter is mainly used for and that for all the nsfw ff content

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

also seems to be a huge disconnect between "praise" and "thanks"

I enjoy the game, so gave thanks for that, praise is a different story. there are flaws and while one can only assume they are working on them, I dont see a lot of areas for outright praise as being done in a really noteworthy way. those definitions are not equal, as some seem to think.

here is the thing in which alot of people always forget. if you like something you can criticize it. I love 14, this one of my favorite mmo and the one that ill return to. However i do see the flaws in it. Like yoshi p said takes breaks. Me taking those breaks always want to suggest them to add more to 14. Other games to it better but why cant 14 take those ideas and put there own spin on it?

[Silverbane]

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater'

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.
People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

Like this. Classic hater behavior you're showing there, AwesomeJr.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills, but that's not really true. It's really you that's upset you.
Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.
Other people can only point it out, as I have done for you, many times.

A better person than you would learn from it. Well, maybe when you grow up.