The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[SentioftheHoukai]

No, I don't.

I can praise my spouse but overlook their mistakes.
After four decades together, that seems to work pretty well.
I don't see that I need to treat the devs any different.

Like my spouse, and unlike most forum posters, the devs have brought a lot of fun into my life.
So like my spouse, I cut the devs some slack.

BTW, there's evidence that punishment may not be a good tool for training dogs. (https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...ining-to-heel/).
If those findings generalize to other mammals, abusing the devs here in the forums may not produce the results the abusers are hoping for.

[Edit: and may be a reason why the devs don't seem to pay any attention to the English forums.]

Uh..... what?

It doesn't take courage to post on an online forum. If you think it does, you're a coward. And I say this as someone with a lot of opinions that aren't 'mainstream'. Also, labeling anyone and everyone as a 'hater' if they don't shower Yoshi and his team of devs with constant praise is just trying to invalidate the people who don't think that praise should be a participation trophy. Although if we want to be fair, you're a pretty hateful person yourself Silverbane. Are you sure that you aren't a 'hater'?

Yeaaaaahhhh.... This is probably gonna sound more than a bit like a tongue-twister, but here we go. If you go around calling everyone and their 90 year old grandmother who routinely bakes the entire neighborhood cookies, and the ones you constantly label as haters DON'T do this.....

What renders you so assuredly certain YOU are not the hateful one?

I used to as well, but they've burnt through the goodwill they've built up with me throughout the years. SE is not my friend. They're not my spouse. They're a business, and if they don't treat me, as one of their customers, correctly I will criticize them.

Cue the mental images of Yoshi-P as your doting husbando.

Please look foward to it~

I don't think I need to tell you this, but you are not in a relationship with the development team. It's all parasocial. The only one relationship you're in with them is customer/service provider. And if it's not working out, but you know they can do better, would you not say something?

No one's punishing the devs. This isn't Pavlov's Dog. Expressing exhasperation, disappointment or frustration is a healthy thing when justified. And some of it IS justified :| People going overboard and being disrespectful? I get criticising that. People bringing up negative aspects and expressing disappointment? The devs asked for feedback, not an echo chamber of applause.

Silverbane...

...please stop smoking the Gysahl Greens, this isn't sane.

Yeah, that's for the Chocobros!

You don't see humans eating dog food! ......Well, some do. But they're weird, and we don't talk about them.

[AwesomeJr44]

Uh..... what?

It's a Silverbane post. It's best to not think too hard about it...

[Ivtrix]

Boot lickers always brainwashed into thinking this game is perfect

This game is amazing, but it could be better, so we will complain until it is better

[Illmaeran]

Boot lickers always brainwashed into thinking this game is perfect

It may be perfect for some people. As far as my personal gameplay's concerned, the game's very close to being perfect.. There's nothing except for very minor things that I'd need changed to improve my enjoyment of it. If they only made new content but never changed the technical things such as class balance, etc I'd continue to be completely happy.


That being said, I recognize that it's not perfect for the great majority of people and faaaar from perfect for a good portion of those. This doesn't mean a measurable percent of the player base are highly, if not completely, satisfied with the game given the way they play it though. It's fair for those people to want to give positive feedback based on their positive experiences with the game. It doesn't make them bootlickers just as people who generally give negative feedback/critiques are the opposite of a boot licker, whatever the term for that may be.

[TheMightyMollusk]

The devs should be praised when they do good work. They should also be criticized when something goes wrong. Fair is fair.

Would be far more useful if people could be reasonable and adult about it instead of the standard "small indie company devs don't care about EN" rhetoric, but that's anonymous social media for ya.

[Renalt]

Here's one issue I have. It's a big one and it's kinda gonna be a long post. I'll see if I can TL;DR the end.

People LOVE to complain but hate to praise. This is fact. You see it everywhere and it's SO common you will never even take notice of it. Want proof? Look at any review of any game, restaurant, retail store, etc...and see how many times a review is in short "I go here all the time and things have been fine and I like the place and blah blah blah but I had one bad experience because of reasons. 1 star.

It happens...a LOT. Question for people...be honest. How many times have you had a pretty good experience and left a review? How many times have you had a bad experience and left a review? That said...I've seen it happen so many times where people will literally only review a place if they have that one bad experience. COuld have 100s of good experience but hey...they got my money right? That's all the thanks they need. Hell I've seen MANY people on the forums say "My thanks is the fact I'm subbed". Here's the problem...let me draw up a scenario.

You work in retail. You are doing your very best and give 100% maximum effort and things are great. Did they give you a good review? No. The money spent is thanks. That goes to the company and not the workers.

Now...same scenario. You work your ass off. Maximum effort. They complain and whine they didn't get things THEIR way. They leave a negative review. Guess what the boss sees? That negative review. You're fired. Should have done better.

But hey...when you do good they support by paying money right? The boss does not see that. That's suppose to happen. They don't see you working your ass off.

TL;DR

Boss man doesn't see you doing a good job just cause people spend money at the store. That is to be expected. When people start whining though...they are SO QUICK to voice their complaints...and boss man sees that and thinks you are terrible.

[AwesomeJr44]

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

Again: Thank you Devs for bringing us an amazing game. I know mistakes are made, we are all human and you all do your best to fix it. I look forward to seeing what you bring in 6.25 and 6.3.

When SE deserves my thanks, I shall give them my thanks. When they deserve my scorn, they shall receive it.

SE released a savage tier that was overtuned and has job balance so screwed up that certain jobs have immense difficulties clearing while others can clear with multiple damage downs. They fixed the first half. This is not an overall beneficial thing as P8S never should have been overtuned in the first place. I will not thank them for fixing their own error. In addition, they have decided to punish a player who worked around SE's poorly designed systems, then deigned to fix them themselves after punishing said player.

SE is currently undeserving of my thanks. They can earn that.

If there are things to praise, we praise 'em.
If there are things to criticise, we criticise 'em.

Exactly. SE, if you want my praise, do things that would earn my praise.

[Supersnow845]

When SE deserves my thanks, I shall give them my thanks. When they deserve my scorn, they shall receive it.

SE released a savage tier that was overtuned and has job balance so screwed up that certain jobs have immense difficulties clearing while others can clear with multiple damage downs. They fixed the first half. This is not an overall beneficial thing as P8S never should have been overtuned in the first place. I will not thank them for fixing their own error. In addition, they have decided to punish a player who worked around SE's poorly designed systems, then deigned to fix them themselves after punishing said player.

SE is currently undeserving of my thanks. They can earn that.



Exactly. SE, if you want my praise, do things that would earn my praise.

Let’s not forget the whole marker thing wouldn’t have been a problem if square didn’t completely overreact to the paisley park “controversy” during the TEA world first and stop us being able to place markers while in combat which just makes fights where the arena changes like P7S and diamond weapon annoying even if the creativity is a good thing

[Ameela]

Pretty sure the $12.99 you're paying every month is thanks enough.

[SilverObi]

I mean... they don't need your thanks, you pay them money. But by the same token they don't care about you thinking they don't deserve thanks...you pay them money.