The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[AlaineIV]

No no thanks. They still can't fix housing yet every single MMO out there has gotten housing right yet this idea seems to escape them. Character customization is lacking and needs a overhaul. UI is outdated and needs improvement. Job balancing is broken and they still can't get it right. The list goes on. Why after all these years they can't fix it?

If you pay attention to the live letters, they are working on updating the game graphically. Things like this are not done over night and take time, specially a game as large as this. Grant it there are UI improvements that need to be made, that some QoL mods do better, but as shitty as it seems, they have to follow their ToS. If they let those UI mods go, it seems that ToS is more of a guideline than a set of rules established to play the licensed game. I'm sure they would rather not ban the people that had the QoL UI mods, but they have to do it. Character customization is fine, its nothing compared to AoC or BDO character creation, but those games emphasize more so on that. I spend this game 90% of the time of my character facing forward rather than looking at me, so character creation is definitely on the bottom of the list for me. Housing < its definitely gotten better, it used to be way worse, and as you can see housing slots are open on every server. The way that it is designed will be based on server capacity. I like the concept they went for in establishing that you have neighbors, etc rather than having a instance where you are all alone, definitely if a RP community was to come together for a section of housing that part of the game can sky rocket. Job Balancing will always be broken < its what makes the game, complaining about it rather than providing insight does nothing to the solution, people forget that back in SB classes went as far as 8% apart in DPS, and I'm sure with 6.25 and 6.3 you will see classes get reworked or buffed. The issue is not the balance, its the way boss hitboxes are designed making Ranged a lot less useful over melee. It will be interesting to see what they do going forward.

[DragonFlyy]

If you pay attention to the live letters, they are working on updating the game graphically. Things like this are not done over night and take time, specially a game as large as this. Grant it there are UI improvements that need to be made, that some QoL mods do better, but as shitty as it seems, they have to follow their ToS. If they let those UI mods go, it seems that ToS is more of a guideline than a set of rules established to play the licensed game. I'm sure they would rather not ban the people that had the QoL UI mods, but they have to do it. Character customization is fine, its nothing compared to AoC or BDO character creation, but those games emphasize more so on that. I spend this game 90% of the time of my character facing forward rather than looking at me, so character creation is definitely on the bottom of the list for me. Housing < its definitely gotten better, it used to be way worse, and as you can see housing slots are open on every server. The way that it is designed will be based on server capacity. I like the concept they went for in establishing that you have neighbors, etc rather than having a instance where you are all alone, definitely if a RP community was to come together for a section of housing that part of the game can sky rocket. Job Balancing will always be broken < its what makes the game, complaining about it rather than providing insight does nothing to the solution, people forget that back in SB classes went as far as 8% apart in DPS, and I'm sure with 6.25 and 6.3 you will see classes get reworked or buffed. The issue is not the balance, its the way boss hitboxes are designed making Ranged a lot less useful over melee. It will be interesting to see what they do going forward.

While I agree with almost all you said, housing slots are not open on every server. Balmung is full, and without demo timer, there are no new houses each lottery. (Not that this has changed since the lottery implementation.)

[Darthgummibear]

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this. Maybe if that period's detractors had been taken more seriously that game might still be worth playing and that same loud "everything is fine" group would have more than a toxic echo chamber.

[Thaciscokidd]

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this.

I'll do you one better. The old EQ forums was like this before and during WoW's initial dropped.

[Raoabolic]

I'll do you one better. The old EQ forums was like this before and during WoW's initial dropped.

*EQ went the way of the whiteknights*
*Move to EQ2 to see if they do better*
*they add a cash shop to EQ that gives you exp/AA bonuses*
*the mounts in the cash shop gave buffs*
*Those people that chased me away from EQ are now in EQ2*
*They are actively defending the cash shop and telling others to leave if they hate it*
*Eventually leave when they lean way to heavy into the cash shop*
Geeze, perhaps I should give WoW a shot. This can't possibly happen a third time~!

[Midareyukki]

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this. Maybe if that period's detractors had been taken more seriously that game might still be worth playing and that same loud "everything is fine" group would have more than a toxic echo chamber.

I'll do you one better. The old EQ forums was like this before and during WoW's initial dropped.

:x If I may ask, what exactly happened? Like, what are you referring to? And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

[SturmChurro]

And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

It could, but I think there'd need to be some new, major, competitors to the scene. Many will still stay due to it being FF though, and for the RP scene, etc. (although, housing is currently a big issue, and is lacking compared to even certain other current competitors)

[Thaciscokidd]

:x If I may ask, what exactly happened? Like, what are you referring to? And do you guys actually think 14 will go down the same way?

It could, but I think there'd need to be some new, major, competitors to the scene.

Like a really big company with a game with a lot of fans, money, and stacking people with MMO skills.

Riot's MMO

[Vahlnir]

When WoW's Cataclysm released and the game went off the rails the forums were filled with people who sounded just like this. Maybe if that period's detractors had been taken more seriously that game might still be worth playing and that same loud "everything is fine" group would have more than a toxic echo chamber.

Ideally, that is what should have happened with WoW, but even if the player base had decided to take a stand then, I doubt the devs would have listened. Even after losing millions of players 2 expansions later in WoD, they stood their ground for the most part. Ion and his cronies are incredibly stubborn. MoP got a lot of crap during its time, but now it is remembered pretty fondly. Still my favorite expansion overall. The only reason Legion happened in all of its casual glory was because they were losing money. The next expansion they were right back to their same shenanigans. And the one after that, Shadowlands. WoD was responsible for the most player loss in total, but I feel that Shadowlands came the closest to actually killing the game. It's too early to tell how Dragonflight will go at this point, but I don't have much hope for it given their less than stellar track record.

[AlaineIV]

Here is the thing, we can be nice about it, go to the place to tell them "hey, you might need to make some changes here and there" goes silent. Or they have a live letter to stick to there choices. However, when you have everybody from all over, from English side to the japanese side saying the same thing and voices are not being heard and the only time they will "fix" things when everybody yells and make videos about it. It shouldn't have to be.

yes, they added echo, yes they fixed the healer lb so that it does not give us weakness. That was past not now. Yes they are human and they can make mistake. But they need to iron that out on there end as far as communicating with themselfs and the community If there stance was to make every job viable on every bit content then they need to make sure that they work out the kinks before launch

That's why there is a feedback forum, though I would be safe to assume that the people that actually use the forums is just only a fraction of the people that actually play the game, devs only have so much to go by. When developers see all the bashing it makes them feel less connected to the game. Look at WoW for instance, a single raid tier has over 30 nerfs combined over all bosses in a span of a month. Yet people here complaining like 1 nerf to a boss is the end of the world.