The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Silverbane]

It's pathetic how many people in this thread seem to think that someone being paid to do a job means they do that job well. Those people must have very little life experience, or they'd know better.

I paid a subscription for years to experience SWTOR going from a game with eight great story lines that was fun to play to a game with one boring story line that was frustrating because of the unfixed game-stopping bugs, dev flip-flops, and cash-shop shenanigans.
The developers that did that to SWTOR were paid.
I have never and will never thank them for their efforts.

The developers that bring us FFXIV, however, I will thank.
They keep providing a game I enjoy playing, and they keep improving that game.
People like me with extensive complex software implementation experience in a team environment know that that's a hard-won accomplishment.
We know from personal experience that even software developers being paid six-figure US$ salaries often suck, and that even one bad coder can ruin an entire team's efforts.
The FFXIV devs have, in the main, overcome that and many other obstacles to bring me this game, and in terms of money spent per hour of enjoyment, it's the most cost-effective entertainment I've ever bought.

So thank you, Creative Business Unit 3.
Please ignore all the insults that the haters in the EN forums heap on you.
You provide something that brings joy to and is well-loved by a great many people.
Only a relatively small number of people can claim to have done that,
and I doubt that many, if any, of your detractors are among them.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Yes, but this isn't what's going on in this thread. The thread was clearly, deliberately created as an opposition to the controversies of this week and we had many posters who were more concerned with "the haters" than actually thanking the devs. And it happens each time. Mismanagement caused Endwalker to be delayed two weeks at the very last second? Why yes, it's the best time to congratulate the devs for a jobs well done!

And I thought you all hated non-constructive criticism? This thread is anything but constructive, it's basically empty virtue signaling who only really help OP and the other feel better about themselves.

I've seen people here bring up the corporation point so yes that's part of it.
My point is you don't KNOW what a person's intention is when posting. People just see what they don't like and throw labels based on that. Does the concept of being genuine just not exist here? If the devs aren't worthy of any praise then why are folks still giving them money? Seems dumb to do that if this is truly the case.

Also I've seen PLENTY of complaint threads that aren't constructive at all and are just shouting n ranting. And when people call that out those folks are accused of being shills/white knights or called critism police. Come on man..it doesn't really matter if you're constructive or not here. Someone is gonna have issues with it. Sad but thats the reality

Also the EW delay was months ago, why tf is that relevant rn?

[SaberMaxwell]

They said many don't care using aggressive terminology I've seen people permanently banned from these forums for using

[Theodric]

The term 'white knight' is typically used in response to posters who will deliberately enter a thread offering criticism and insist that there's no problem at all and that anyone who has an issue with the game is a 'hater' who should just quit. Instead of simply learning to agree to disagree and acknowledging that the primary purpose of this forum is specifically to leave feedback for the development team to do with as they see fit.

A lot of us are here with the intention of maintaining a normal relationship between a customer (us) and a service provider (the creators of the game). If some of you want to insist that there's some deep, personal connection between yourselves and the development team in the same way that some people think that a celebrity might one day glance their way? So be it. Go ahead. Not everybody is interested in that, though.

I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down by some of the same posters who are now getting angry within this very thread because there's a growing outcry of acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, some elements of the game could stand to improve.

[SturmChurro]

I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down (...)

I certainly haven't forgotten being told to go play another game when I have tried in the past to give feedback. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

[BaconBits]

White Knights when they see valid criticism be like

[IkaraGreydancer]

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I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down by some of the same posters who are now getting angry within this very thread because there's a growing outcry of acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, some elements of the game could stand to improve.

Seems a tale of 2 sides tbh. Because yes there will always be people who do this. But thats on both sides of a coin. I also feel with how quick people are to jumping on folks they misunderstand what folks are actually saying.
Like when ire was REALLY hot here and folks like myself told others to leave polite and constructive criticism and leave the game til they saw the changes they wanted to send a message. Many of us were called white knights n criticism police when we were in fact just trying to help.

No side is innocent here

[OhNooo]

This community is weird AF

[Absimiliard]

[Zarkovitch]

I touch it but my gcd doesnt work what the heck is that.