The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Ath192]

It's crazy that we've gotten to a point where most praise will get you labeled as a shill/white knight. Folks will rag on you cause "dumb person thanks the big corpo that doesn't care about you" and it's just...sad really. Not everyone is thanking the devs as some devious shot at the folks complaining. Some people GENUINELY are thankful and thats ok. If folks can talk about how the devs suck n need to lose thier jobs then I think it's more than ok for people to thank the devs when they feel the devs deserve it. Shooting those people down and labeling based on what you THINK their goal is (despite not doing or saying anything wrong) is bogus. Period.

This section of the community is off asf.

They’ll say anything to justify/rationalize their hate. Calling people white knights just allows them to compartmentalize and dismiss anyone with a positive attitude. At the end of the day they won’t stop until everyone is depressed, the developers hate their jobs, no one cares anymore, and the game really starts to suck and shut down. Like legit, all they do is make the world a worse place.

They don’t know any better than to destroy everything in their path and are too ignorant to realize hate just breeds hate. The only thing decent people can do is let the developers know they have our support and respectfully pointing out where we would like improvement. Everything else is uncalled for and no amount of justification or rationalization will change that. They are all human beings.

Humanity is truly appalling now a days.

Just wanted to let everyone know that Between 2000-2018, suicide mortality rates rose by 35 percent in the United States alone. How about some of y’all try being part of the solution and not the cause. How people phrase feedback matters. And the pressure developers feel is real.

[Raoabolic]

They’ll say anything to justify/rationalize their hate. Calling people white knights just allows them to compartmentalize and dismiss anyone with a positive attitude. At the end of the day they won’t stop until everyone is depressed, the developers hate their jobs, no one cares anymore, and the game really starts to suck and shut down. Like legit, all they do is make the world a worse place.

They don’t know any better than to destroy everything in their path and are too ignorant to realize hate just breeds hate. The only thing decent people can do is let the developers know they have our support and respectfully pointing out where we would like improvement. Everything else is uncalled for and no amount of justification or rationalization will change that. They are all human beings.

Humanity is truly appalling now a days.

Just wanted to let everyone know that Between 2000-2018, suicide mortality rates rose by 35 percent in the United States alone. How about some of y’all try being part of the solution and not the cause by making peoples lives hell. How people phrase feedback matters. And the pressure developers feel is real.

It still makes me laugh that we are in the "just unsub, hater!" phase of the downfall of WoW. What a ride~!

[LittleImp]

Please understand, LittleImp:
A very very large fraction of the playerbase doesn't give a rat's ass about the current endgame raid tiers, never have, and never will.

Since those players pay the same subscription you do, don't you think it's appropriate that they thank the developers if they like the parts of the game they do give a rat's ass about? After all, you've made it clear that paying your subscription doesn't indicate that you are happy with the devs' efforts.

Lmao you sound like raids hurt your family or something oh my god. I will never wrap my head around this level of weird aggression towards a feature you don't participate in.

Also, Savage tier clear rates have hit 50%+ on some JP servers. In terms of different side content, raids probably actually see one of the highest participation rates. Whether it's relevant to your personal experience or not, they're a pretty core part of this games endgame and patch cycle.

[IkaraGreydancer]

These forum threads don't exist in a vacuum. Most of the faces in here are familiar to anyone who spends time here, and it's not that hard to figure out their game based on their pattern of behavior everywhere else on these boards. Some of these users go around constantly instigating moralistic arguments, or making weird excuses for the devs, in every single thread that appears even vaguely critical of any aspect of the game.

Sure. And on the flip side many people lurk threads with the goal of killing any sort of positive take on anything related to the game or the devs.

For all you know folks may be trying to change their tune. I myself was VERY antagonistic to certain folks in the past due to some irl things i was dealing with. I've since tried to keep calm and try to be fair to everyone. I feel all folks should be given that shot before being automatically labeled. I'm a firm believer that part of the toxic positivity this game has is due to folks shutting down genuinely positive folks with no ill intent.

Also Imp nothing that person said even remotely sounded like "raid hate". They simply said many don't care about raiding so the whole "raids hurt you" makes little sense tbh

[SaberMaxwell]

They said many don't care using aggressive terminology I've seen people permanently banned from these forums for using

[Theodric]

The term 'white knight' is typically used in response to posters who will deliberately enter a thread offering criticism and insist that there's no problem at all and that anyone who has an issue with the game is a 'hater' who should just quit. Instead of simply learning to agree to disagree and acknowledging that the primary purpose of this forum is specifically to leave feedback for the development team to do with as they see fit.

A lot of us are here with the intention of maintaining a normal relationship between a customer (us) and a service provider (the creators of the game). If some of you want to insist that there's some deep, personal connection between yourselves and the development team in the same way that some people think that a celebrity might one day glance their way? So be it. Go ahead. Not everybody is interested in that, though.

I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down by some of the same posters who are now getting angry within this very thread because there's a growing outcry of acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, some elements of the game could stand to improve.

[AwesomeJr44]

It's pathetic how many people in this thread seem to think that someone being paid to do a job means they do that job well. Those people must have very little life experience, or they'd know better.

I think you've misunderstood what others are saying. Getting paid to do a job is what occurs when you put in the bare minimum. Putting in the bare minimum and then expecting thanks or praise is absurd as your paycheck is your thanks. If you want people to thank you or praise your work, you have to go beyond just the bare minimum.

The developers that bring us FFXIV, however, I will thank. They keep providing a game I enjoy playing, and they keep improving that game.

Cool. You do that. Just don't be surprised that when you call people with valid criticisms 'haters', or come into threads to cause drama, they won't like you. I for one will be continuing to call out SE when they make mistakes. This does not make me a hater, this makes me honest, something you sadly are incapable of.

People like me with extensive complex software implementation experience in a team environment know that that's a hard-won accomplishment.

Wow, you really can't go one post without bragging about your life can you? Silverbane, do you have an addiction to boasting? I know that with you being one of the more... aged posters, you might be looking for the validation you're not getting in your life. But I'm not an internet psychologist so I won't make any final judgements.

Please ignore all the insults that the haters in the EN forums heap on you. You provide something that brings joy to and is well-loved by a great many people. Only a relatively small number of people can claim to have done that, and I doubt that many, if any, of your detractors are among them.

Do you know what caused the downfall of WoW? It all started when the devs stopped listening to criticism from their players. If you love the game as much as you claim, then let the critics point out its flaws without labeling them as 'hAtErS'. It's the only way the game will improve. But of course you ARE a known liar and are also known to be quite unhinged so I wouldn't be surprised if you actually hated the game, and have been trolling this entire time on a quest to get the game to self implode.

My point is you don't KNOW what a person's intention is when posting.

Behold:

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

The OP wore their intentions on their sleeve.

A very very large fraction of the playerbase doesn't give a rat's ass about the current endgame raid tiers, never have, and never will.

The game is balanced for high end content. Do you know why this is? Because in baby conten- I mean normal content, there aren't enrages in like 99.9% of the fights, so you can literally auto attack the boss to death and job balance just doesn't matter. Thus when the people playing content that actually requires you to have a brain begin complaining that job balance is in the crapper, those are the people who should have the dev's attention. They're the ones playing the content in which job balance matters. You'd know this if you actually played high end content. (and if you do play savage content and still think that, I don't know what to say, you're just wrong)

Using your logic, we shouldn't listen to crafter mains when they say that crafting is boring because most people don't play crafters at a level where they'd care enough to complain. Using your logic, we shouldn't listen to people playing BLU when they want BLU to get a lv 80 update because most people don't play BLU. Do you see how stupid this logic is?

The term 'white knight' is typically used in response to posters who will deliberately enter a thread offering criticism and insist that there's no problem at all and that anyone who has an issue with the game is a 'hater' who should just quit. Instead of simply learning to agree to disagree and acknowledging that the primary purpose of this forum is specifically to leave feedback for the development team to do with as they see fit.

A lot of us are here with the intention of maintaining a normal relationship between a customer (us) and a service provider (the creators of the game). If some of you want to insist that there's some deep, personal connection between yourselves and the development team in the same way that some people think that a celebrity might one day glance their way? So be it. Go ahead. Not everybody is interested in that, though.

I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down by some of the same posters who are now getting angry within this very thread because there's a growing outcry of acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, some elements of the game could stand to improve.

Well you see Theodric, people like Silverbane have fooled themselves into the delusion that the SE dev team has a relationship with them similar to that of a spouse. This when someone criticizes the dev team, they take it as a personal attack at their 'spouse'.

It's impossible to read what you've written there, Kazhar, without concluding that you're a hater. And haters gotta hate.

Well it makes sense that you'd be able to identify a hater. You're their queen.

If I suspected that anyone with an opinion worth respecting would buy into your hateful spew, AwesomeJr, I might bother to refute it. But I won't.
I'll just note that you have once again proven that what I posted earlier in this thread, about how the haters go after people who refuse to hate what they hate, is true.

I'm not the one who goes into threads about how hard it is to get a house, just to brag about how I have multiple. I'm not the one who enters threads and claims anyone who isn't hyper positive is a 'hater'. You love projecting and calling everyone else a hater but you're probably the most hate-filled person on the forums.

Sure it does. It makes me happy, my spouse happy, and the members of our FC happy.
Because I, my spouse, and my FC each own a house, two of which were acquired through the lottery system.

But sour grapes are a thing, right?

[Silverbane]

I don't need to use my mind powers on you. You're so incredibly transparent. I could give the benefit of the doubt to most of the others but you? I know you're nothing more than a truly vile and unhinged person.

It's impossible to read what you've written there, Kazhar, without concluding that you're a hater.
And haters gotta hate.

Lmao you sound like raids hurt your family or something oh my god. I will never wrap my head around this level of weird aggression towards a feature you don't participate in.

How, in a rational world, is not giving a rat's ass about a feature "aggression towards a feature"?
I have no beef with content I don't do, whether it's raid tiers, chocobo racing, Bozja, or island sanctuaries.
I simply don't give a rat's ass about that content, one way or the other.
If I ever start doing it, I'll probably start caring and having opinions about it.
Until then, nope.

[More hate, directed at me, with lots of strawmen]

If I suspected that anyone with an opinion worth respecting would buy into your hateful spew, AwesomeJr, I might bother to refute it. But I don't, so I won't.
I'll just note that you have once again proven that what I posted earlier in this thread, about how the haters go after people who refuse to hate what they hate, is true.

[SturmChurro]

I'll be honest - I've always found elements of this fandom to be creepily cult-like at times and I'm not going to pretend as if even reasonable feedback written in a polite and constructive manner isn't shot down (...)

I certainly haven't forgotten being told to go play another game when I have tried in the past to give feedback. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

[BaconBits]

White Knights when they see valid criticism be like