What Zero Could've Been

[VelKallor]

I'm more inclined to think that the following patches will be about her learning to care about her home again, resulting in her staying there attempting to make it better.

I touched on this earlier, comments on how she will or could "join the Scions"..ignores the fact this story arc could very well be she wont, or cant, leave at all. Any number of reasons why, one of which was posited by a friend, that as a voidsent she CANT stay in Eitherys at all...not unless she wants to..or WILL... revert to her earlier form.

Looking at what we have seen so far, my money says she will stay where she is..perhaps to stabilise things..or for the simple reason she cant or wont leave her domain, too many others depending on her.

I dont know for certain obviously, but it IS a possible outcome.

[KariTheFox]

There is of course going to be a lot of divergence when it comes to liking or not liking fictional characters; real life is no different. But based my own experience watching anime since the early days of imported Japanese laserdisks, I have to wonder:

Is people's liking or not liking of a character influenced by what language they listen in, or more specifically,
to which voice actor/actress is voicing the character?

The sound of someone's voice is a huge part of their personality, sometimes more than the words they say. We see this in anime: Lisa Ortiz did fine work, but Megumi Hayashibara defined Lina Inverse IMO. Movies too: Darth Vader was brought to life as much by James Earl Jones' deep voice and manner of speaking as anything else, for example.

My Nihongo was never much more than enough to get me around as a tourist, and it's declined a lot since I last visited Japan. But still, I prefer subtitled to dubbed (even when I notice that the subtitles aren't true to the spoken words), even for things like the Ghibli films that employ A-list actors to do the dubs.

So naturally, I listen to FFXIV in Japanese.
And I really like the way Ai Kayano voices Y'shtola.
Would I like Y'shtola less if I listened to Robyn Addison's English rendition of her?
I don't know.

I think it would be interesting to survey the FFXIV English-speaking fanbase and see if a character being liked or disliked is strongly correlated with which voice actor/actress a person experiences the character through.

I do wonder about this, as a listener of the Japanese dub, a lot of the way certain characters are described by people who listen to the English localization do not really match up with my impression of them.

Y'sthola, Zenos, and Thancred being some standout examples to me.

[Boblawblah]

Language and culture always plays a role in how an audience perceives a character. Feo Ul was so full of character in the English version, and while it took a bit to get used to her, it fits her character perfectly. In Japanese, she's a fairly generic energetic little sister type from an anime. Now if someone is more inclined to enjoy the Japanese language, then they might like her more, and get a different vibe from her characterizations than the English. That's not a bad thing though, that's just culture/language/personalities/preferences.

[Jason_Ashford]

Language and culture always plays a role in how an audience perceives a character. Feo Ul was so full of character in the English version, and while it took a bit to get used to her, it fits her character perfectly. In Japanese, she's a fairly generic energetic little sister type from an anime. Now if someone is more inclined to enjoy the Japanese language, then they might like her more, and get a different vibe from her characterizations than the English. That's not a bad thing though, that's just culture/language/personalities/preferences.

personally i much prefer the English version, they put so much effort into creating a diverse culture just through the dialogue of characters from around the world, or from other worlds, as is the case with Feo Ul. I think Thavnair encapsulates this entirely, the way they have an accent that is very distinct to the people of the country.

[Raoabolic]

Language and culture always plays a role in how an audience perceives a character. Feo Ul was so full of character in the English version, and while it took a bit to get used to her, it fits her character perfectly. In Japanese, she's a fairly generic energetic little sister type from an anime. Now if someone is more inclined to enjoy the Japanese language, then they might like her more, and get a different vibe from her characterizations than the English. That's not a bad thing though, that's just culture/language/personalities/preferences.

Personally, I would like the version the original writers wrote for the character and not a stranger's reimaging of said character.

[Iscah]

There is a difference, but please let's acknowledge that within the lore subforum, there is a specific poster [...]

You say that like they're the only person causing any issues and there aren't others engaging in name-calling, personal attacks and not letting people hold their own opinions without having to argue against them.

Both extremes keep the argument going, and I've tried to stay out of it – both because my feelings are somewhere in the middle and I don't want to get caught up in the argument. But here in this thread, they're letting it spill out onto a different group of people who are rightly confused by the name-calling and the self-identifying as some kind of team with a name.

[Lauront]

You say that like they're the only person causing any issues and there aren't others engaging in name-calling, personal attacks and not letting people hold their own opinions without having to argue against them.

Both extremes keep the argument going, and I've tried to stay out of it – both because my feelings are somewhere in the middle and I don't want to get caught up in the argument. But here in this thread, they're letting it spill out onto a different group of people who are rightly confused by the name-calling and the self-identifying as some kind of team with a name.

The reason I singled them out in particular is the persistence and obnoxiousness of it, not so much to say they're alone in it. With that said, I do respect your stance on the matter and would agree that there was little reason to let it spill into this thread.

[Floortank]

I'd argue the pace is a little different this time around.
Her relationship with us is purely professional right now, our goals are aligned because she benefits from it. She don't really care about our objectives.

It's exactly the same pacing as Gaia X Ryne

Snarly, doesn't like, antagonistic, goes along in spite of herself, warms to us gradually, rinse and repeat.

We've seen it before. I don't mind it, but we've seen it before, and OP is acting like this is some new problem.

[Graeham]

We say it is bad to single the one person for all the burger anger when it is the sign show the bigger problem. There is so much of the problem with the bad diet. Grahad burger scene was bad because of the high cholesterol burger. The Zero it does not chew the apple properly and eat it drain apple with the spell. We know they is listen to the course corrector feedback from the silent majority and now offer the healthy food as well but must reinforcing the good eat tech. Please chewing the food it is danger choke risk. Must having the positive masculine role model not the bad.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

We say it is bad to single the one person for all the burger anger when it is the sign show the bigger problem. There is so much of the problem with the bad diet. Grahad burger scene was bad because of the high cholesterol burger. The Zero it does not chew the apple properly and eat it drain apple with the spell. We know they is listen to the course corrector feedback from the silent majority and now offer the healthy food as well but must reinforcing the good eat tech. Please chewing the food it is danger choke risk. Must having the positive masculine role model not the bad.