What Zero Could've Been

[AwesomeJr44]

....there are no words to describe what I think of this statement. A traitor, a murderer, a psychopathic homicidal woman who delights in torture..what the hell IS this?.

Vel.

Please.

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Gottem.

[SentioftheHoukai]

....there are no words to describe what I think of this statement. A traitor, a murderer, a psychopathic homicidal woman who delights in torture..what the hell IS this?.

Well, personally I'd say it's this:



Ironic similarity between Venat/Hydaelyn and Yotsuyu/Tsuyu, they both have legions of stans ready and willing to defend their every atrocity by citing what they suffered in their tragic backstories taking place in some distant past with their victims lying solely in the present and having precious little to do with what they suffered.

Its stalkerish to reply to somebody on an open and public forum?
Well shoot, I guess everyone is a stalker

When Puksi labeled me his stalker because I responded to him twice in my entire career on these forums on the Voidsent thread he got 13 updoots. Kindly piss off with your double standards. You didn't care then, why now? Oh right, because I'm an acceptable target who doesn't share your views. Never you mind how Vel responds to nearly every post Aveyond makes and is always hostile.

Proof:

Do I know you? Because this is the second thread you've come from nowhere and tried to pick a fight with me.

I'm morbidly curious how you think an unborn child wasn't an innocent victim, but you do you, whoever you are. ʅ(ツ)ʃ

Edit: From 2019? That's...not creepy or anything.

The oddity here is someone has apparently been stalking me for three years.

And since you're trying to take the OP off-topic, I will place lore discussion under a snip.

Why Vauthry? Why not Vauthry? Seriously, looking at your signature alone, this is the character you choose to clutch your pearls over?

He was corrupted before birth and groomed to a very specific task.



a.k.a, to be a stopgap to keep the Light from overtaking the First before the Rejoining could happen. There's no reason to believe that Valens van Var--er, Emet-Selch would corrupt this infant, only to then say eh, grow up to do what you want, go fight those Sin Eaters. Instead, the child was brainwashed to believe he was the protagonist of the story, and anyone who came against him were "villains" who must be stopped. A lot of people love waxing on how terrible it was for their WoL to come this close to losing themselves to Lightwarden corruption. How is it any less terrible for a child who had no blessing of Hydaelyn, and was being fed lies to make sure they performed their part in the Ascians' plan?

Cylva confirms the Ascians were not passive players in Eulmore. It was the Ascians' idea to raise The Virtues, and it was the Ascians who left Gaia an orphan alone in the city.

The Virtues, who behaved in a way that completely twisted how they were in life, as Titania went from a beloved ruler to being kept in the cramped old castle. As Tesleen tried to kill us, as we would have killed our friends had we not contained the Light. Light corruption has never left the victim unscathed, but for some reason, you expect it of this character, since birth. Why?

To his dying breath, he didn't understand that he was not the hero he was groomed to believe he was. But he needed to be convinced he was doing good, twisted though it was, when he had the power to not care at all.

Even the Exarch said Vauthry's hope was "to vindicate his existence". Yoshida asked players to consider was Vauthry really a friend of the Sin Eaters, or was he controlled by someone.

Vauthry was a tragic character, and considering they had to convince him he was the good guy, he probably would have been a much better ruler than his father, if the Ascians hadn't corrupted him. But Emet-Selch never gave him a choice to be anything other than what he was created to do.

Now, I'm going to ask you to please stop stalking my posts. I don't even recall engaging you before, and I'm sure you've got better things to do.

[MagiusNecros]

Zero like the name given has no personality and amounts to "Dormammu I have come to bargain".

Voidsent feel rather cheapened when all it took was a blue rock to turn a demon thing into a magical girl.

[RukoBoshi]

Zero like the name given has no personality and amounts to "Dormammu I have come to bargain".

Voidsent feel rather cheapened when all it took was a blue rock to turn a demon thing into a magical girl.

That didn't bothered me, macguffin is doing macguffin things.
What bothered me is that we get said object right before going to the void, where we use it on the only human voidsent, said voidsent being the only one able to use memoriate power.
And that voidsent is in the first location we arrived in, it's also Zenos voidsent that you already met.
These coincidences are really convenient ! We sure are lucky everything happened that way.

[MagiusNecros]

That didn't bothered me, macguffin is doing macguffin things.
What bothered me is that we get said object right before going to the void, where we use it on the only human voidsent, said voidsent being the only one able to use memoriate power.
And that voidsent is in the first location we arrived in, it's also Zenos voidsent that you already met.
These coincidences are really convenient ! We sure are lucky everything happened that way.

It's called shit writing. But that's kinda been a problem the whole expansion.

[RukoBoshi]

It's called shit writing. But that's kinda been a problem the whole expansion.

Well, i'm not gonna go there any further, wouldn't want the subject to get derailed.
As for Zero, i'm eager to see what she will be like once her arc is complete.

I'm happy that she isn't a scholar or someone from Sharlayan, and is a pure fighter. If she stay for ride in 7.0 there's potential for her to get a nice story arc tied to the expansion thematically. And it will be good to not be the only character who is clueless while everyone else explains things they already know.

[Kazemon15]

The OP just doesn't like smart women. Or women who talk back or a little sassy.

Every post he goes on about, all women need to be "kind", "nurturing", the yes-man to men, stay in the kitchen types. Basically doormat women who's only purpose is to uplift the man into a higher position.

Now there is nothing wrong with these types of women. In the right settings, these types can be very good and a great support. However, the Scions is not the settings for this. They are a group that delves into the world's problems, need to be headstrong and hold their own. They can be kind, yes, but not a doormat.

[Vahlnir]

The OP just doesn't like smart women. Or women who talk back or a little sassy.

Every post he goes on about, all women need to be "kind", "nurturing", the yes-man to men, stay in the kitchen types. Basically doormat women who's only purpose is to uplift the man into a higher position.

Now there is nothing wrong with these types of women. In the right settings, these types can be very good and a great support. However, the Scions is not the settings for this. They are a group that delves into the world's problems, need to be headstrong and hold their own. They can be kind, yes, but not a doormat.

Zero's honestly my favorite type of character. I love mercenary types. Even if she softens up a bit, I hope that she maintains a bit of her cold and distant nature.

[aveyond-dreams]

Female characters need story arcs to explain why they're not all dainty princesses? What?

Yes. They should have on-screen development that leads up to the strength they find instead of just starting out all cool and powerful. The lack of these arcs doesn't make for a compelling story, it's just putting a Mary Sue in front of my face and expecting me to like her based off how cool she looks. That isn't what stories should be doing.

same here, tells you everything about the op

gives me "men drawing women" vibes

Men and women have both selected for specific traits in the other gender throughout all history. There are some that are more selected for than others.

The OP just doesn't like smart women. Or women who talk back or a little sassy.

Every post he goes on about, all women need to be "kind", "nurturing", the yes-man to men, stay in the kitchen types. Basically doormat women who's only purpose is to uplift the man into a higher position.

Now there is nothing wrong with these types of women. In the right settings, these types can be very good and a great support. However, the Scions is not the settings for this. They are a group that delves into the world's problems, need to be headstrong and hold their own. They can be kind, yes, but not a doormat.

You already have your strong woman type with Y'shtola, why did Zero have to take after her in regards to being stoic and having a power level that isn't really built up to over the course of the story? Like Venat, it's just sort of "there." I do not appreciate you misrepresenting me this way. The Scions could use a woman on their side that is actually friendly and likeable, neither quality which I'd describe Y'shtola as.

I mean, Estinien started all cool and powerful, and still got a compelling story arc by 3.3. People even liked him for it.

What Estinien went through throughout Heavensward was more than what Y'shtola underwent over the last 10 years in terms of character development and actual lessons learned. However with Y'shtola she just shows up, explains things, does forbidden magic, and not much else. She doesn't bring as much to the story as he did, and even Estinien's paused development is problematic for the game's future unless he begins to evolve enough to justify his continued presence.

Ongoing stories like this one should not have a main cast that's so stagnant.

[Kazemon15]

You already have your strong woman type with Y'shtola, why did Zero have to take after her in regards to being stoic and having a power level that isn't really built up to over the course of the story? Like Venat, it's just sort of "there." I do not appreciate you misrepresenting me this way. The Scions could use a woman on their side that is actually friendly and likeable, neither quality which I'd describe Y'shtola as.

Speak for yourself about Y'shtola. I happen to like her this way.

As for your misrepresentation...you already proved it with all your posts.

Men can't be kind or nurturing, you call them "boring" or "annoying" (G'raha, Thancred, ect) and expect men to be tough and "masculine."

Yet turn around and say women MUST be nurturing cuz cold and tough women are "boring." (Y'sthola, Zero, ect)

That is just a toxic masculinity and misogynistic "traditional" way of thinking...

Men can be kind and nurturing.

Women can be distant and cold.

People aren't black and white and fit into perfect little "traditional" boxes.