What Zero Could've Been

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Just don't go in the thread and comment then. You can see the thread's creator before you click it. So it should be easy to avoid him. Unless ignoring people you don't like isn't the ideal solution that the anti-Aveyond brigade has tried to sell it as.

And if Aveyond is the only one putting people on ignore, that only proves my point further. The anti-Aveyond brigade sells the ignore button as the solution if you don't like someone, yet they don't use it themselves. Aveyond's using their solution while the people trying to get others to do it aren't.

Just trying to use the standards and solutions that the same posters here have proposed in the past.

I've never advocated using the ignore feature. But I also don't advocate ignoring select comments from people you dislike when you claim to want a discussion but then only want yes men. Aveyond only wants yes-men.

And its a forum. I'm here to discuss. Unlike some.

[AwesomeJr44]

I've never advocated using the ignore feature.

You specifically didn't, but I definitely spot a few familiar faces here who have, and are not using their glorious solution to people they don't like. I didn't really want to point out specific examples as that'll be opening a can of worms in a thread I didn't intend on staying in for too long, but they know who they are.

And its a forum. I'm here to discuss. Unlike some.

Lest you misunderstand, I am not advocating for the use of the ignore button, I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those who push for others to use it while simultaneously not using it themselves.

There is no Hate Squad. We are just users on a Forum who seem to collectively disagree with Aveyond's takes. We are free to do so, just like he is free to make those takes.
This isnt a 1-way street where he is allowed to say whatever he wants unchallenged, and nobody is allowed to add their thoughts. If you want an echo chamber where the only people allowed are like-minded...make a discord. Otherwise grow up and be prepared for potential diverse opinions. This is a public forum.

Its hilarious how Strong, Brave and Bold ya'll are, but then you crumble into wet paper when you start getting pushback.

I think you misunderstand my intent here. I am not defending Aveyond, as I said before. I am neither endorsing or condemning the OP of this thread. However, in other threads, many of the usual actors have stated that the ignore button is the go-to if you don't like someone. However, they are not ignoring Aveyond who they clearly dislike to some degree. I am pointing out this hypocrisy. If you haven't pushed for the use of the ignore button in the past, don't worry, I am not referring to you. I personally am a big fan of open discussion, and hate echo chambers. Hence why I'm so vehemently against the white knights and drama baiters on the forums. That's why I'm willing to call people out on their crap when they try to turn the forums into Reddit. The ignore button goes completely against said open discussion, so if a group of posters is going to endorse it, I'm going to hold them to heir standards.

As for why I use the term 'Hate Squad', there is a group of posters who you can find on every single one of Aveyond's threads who specifically show up to either derail the thread or insult him. Have you ever seen the posts in every Aveyond thread, where people bring up the fact that Aveyond doesn't like the burger scene with Graha? Do you think that's really relevant in most situations? No it's not. Whether you agree with him or not, you're either delusional or a liar if you say that everyone here is here in good faith. Sure, there are definitely good faith posters here, and you're one of them. But it's obvious that there are posters here simply to hate on Aveyond. Thus they are the Aveyond hate squad. Again, am I referring to the everyday poster? No. But there is a group of users specifically here to hate on Aveyond.

If you think that calling out a group of people for their hypocrisy is crumbling into wet paper, you're free to be wrong if you choose.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think you misunderstand my intent here. I am not defending Aveyond, as I said before. I am neither endorsing or condemning the OP of this thread. However, in other threads, many of the usual actors have stated that the ignore button is the go-to if you don't like someone. However, they are not ignoring Aveyond who they clearly dislike to some degree. I am pointing out this hypocrisy. If you haven't pushed for the use of the ignore button in the past, don't worry, I am not referring to you.

As for why I use the term 'Hate Squad', there is a group of posters who you can find on every single one of Aveyond's threads who specifically show up to either derail the thread or insult him. Have you ever seen the posts in every Aveyond thread, where people bring up the fact that Aveyond doesn't like the burger scene with Graha?

If you think that calling out a group of people for their hypocrisy is crumbling into wet paper, you're free to be wrong if you choose.

To be fair. SEVERAL times, Aveyond himself has brought up and referenced the Burger Scene and added to the derailment by talking about it more and more. Aveyond is also guilty of derailing his own threads randomly. Im definitly not an advocate of the Ignore Button; I dont believe it should ever be used unless you are literally being harassed. And I could have missed it, I dont visit EVERY thread, but for me Aveyond hasnt really be Harassed; he makes a statement, and people disagree with it, or give him flak because it is a reasonably bad take.
The Whole "Good/Bad Faith thing has been used a few times, Im not afraid to display my ignorance on that term. I dont understand it XD Its slang or whatever beyond my vocab and not one I ever use.

And no, the Crumbling like Wet paper line is directed at people who...I guess lets say can sit here and talk bad about something, and say its objective truth. But then people with the opposite opinion come in and disagree with the statement, or even spit facts to contradict and battle it. And then said person who made the original statement starts crying foul and saying things like "Im being silenced" These are people who Crumble like wet paper; the types Im talking about

[TaleraRistain]

The Whole "Good/Bad Faith thing has been used a few times, Im not afraid to display my ignorance on that term. I dont understand it XD Its slang or whatever beyond my vocab and not one I ever use.

When someone debates in good faith, they're coming into the discussion intending to be respectful of the other parties and make their case honestly and have an open mind. When someone debates in bad faith, they aren't coming into the discussion intending to be respectful of others and make their case honestly and either have their mind made up and just want to push forward their own agenda or they are trying to coerce others into some desired action.

[Iscah]

When someone debates in good faith, they're coming into the discussion intending to be respectful of the other parties and make their case honestly and have an open mind. When someone debates in bad faith, they aren't coming into the discussion intending to be respectful of others and make their case honestly and either have their mind made up and just want to push forward their own agenda or they are trying to coerce others into some desired action.

Bad faith can also mean they don't actually hold the belief they are claiming, but are simply doing it to be disruptive and cause a negative effect.

[TaleraRistain]

Bad faith can also mean they don't actually hold the belief they are claiming, but are simply doing it to be disruptive and cause a negative effect.

This as well. A good addition. Best way to sum it up is that someone debating in bad faith isn't actually debating. They're not coming in with a mind to have the sort of back and forth and give and take that good discussion needs.

[Ransu]

Have you ever seen the posts in every Aveyond thread, where people bring up the fact that Aveyond doesn't like the burger scene with Graha? Do you think that's really relevant in most situations? No it's not.

I'd say its absolutely relevant as those people are simply pointing out his history of bad takes on everything in this game.