What Zero Could've Been

[aveyond-dreams]

Female characters need story arcs to explain why they're not all dainty princesses? What?

Yes. They should have on-screen development that leads up to the strength they find instead of just starting out all cool and powerful. The lack of these arcs doesn't make for a compelling story, it's just putting a Mary Sue in front of my face and expecting me to like her based off how cool she looks. That isn't what stories should be doing.

same here, tells you everything about the op

gives me "men drawing women" vibes

Men and women have both selected for specific traits in the other gender throughout all history. There are some that are more selected for than others.

The OP just doesn't like smart women. Or women who talk back or a little sassy.

Every post he goes on about, all women need to be "kind", "nurturing", the yes-man to men, stay in the kitchen types. Basically doormat women who's only purpose is to uplift the man into a higher position.

Now there is nothing wrong with these types of women. In the right settings, these types can be very good and a great support. However, the Scions is not the settings for this. They are a group that delves into the world's problems, need to be headstrong and hold their own. They can be kind, yes, but not a doormat.

You already have your strong woman type with Y'shtola, why did Zero have to take after her in regards to being stoic and having a power level that isn't really built up to over the course of the story? Like Venat, it's just sort of "there." I do not appreciate you misrepresenting me this way. The Scions could use a woman on their side that is actually friendly and likeable, neither quality which I'd describe Y'shtola as.

I mean, Estinien started all cool and powerful, and still got a compelling story arc by 3.3. People even liked him for it.

What Estinien went through throughout Heavensward was more than what Y'shtola underwent over the last 10 years in terms of character development and actual lessons learned. However with Y'shtola she just shows up, explains things, does forbidden magic, and not much else. She doesn't bring as much to the story as he did, and even Estinien's paused development is problematic for the game's future unless he begins to evolve enough to justify his continued presence.

Ongoing stories like this one should not have a main cast that's so stagnant.

[Kazemon15]

You already have your strong woman type with Y'shtola, why did Zero have to take after her in regards to being stoic and having a power level that isn't really built up to over the course of the story? Like Venat, it's just sort of "there." I do not appreciate you misrepresenting me this way. The Scions could use a woman on their side that is actually friendly and likeable, neither quality which I'd describe Y'shtola as.

Speak for yourself about Y'shtola. I happen to like her this way.

As for your misrepresentation...you already proved it with all your posts.

Men can't be kind or nurturing, you call them "boring" or "annoying" (G'raha, Thancred, ect) and expect men to be tough and "masculine."

Yet turn around and say women MUST be nurturing cuz cold and tough women are "boring." (Y'sthola, Zero, ect)

That is just a toxic masculinity and misogynistic "traditional" way of thinking...

Men can be kind and nurturing.

Women can be distant and cold.

People aren't black and white and fit into perfect little "traditional" boxes.

[RukoBoshi]

What Estinien went through throughout Heavensward was more than what Y'shtola underwent over the last 10 years in terms of character development and actual lessons learned. However with Y'shtola she just shows up, explains things, does forbidden magic, and not much else. She doesn't bring as much to the story as he did, and even Estinien's paused development is problematic for the game's future unless he begins to evolve enough to justify his continued presence.

Ongoing stories like this one should not have a main cast that's so stagnant.

I'm not talking about Y'shtola though, i'm talking about Zero. I fail to see how Zero couldn't go the same way Estinien did, considering they both start out similar.

[VelKallor]

isn't exactly a lot of staying power holding me in the game.

Then take a break for a while.and go play other games. YoshiP encourages that, makes sure we dont burn out etc.