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  1. #1
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    Risvertasashi's Avatar
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    Character
    Makani Risvertasashi
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    The irony is that this argument has been going on for years and years, just with a different fill in the blank - instead of machinist, it was bard. Or dancer.

    After all, if you think this MCH situation is bad - why would you bring a job that has both terrible personal damage, but then the buffs don't even make up for it vs machinist? or vs (insert bard or dancer, whichever isn't the "worst" at the moment). I'd still trace it back to identity issues, but bard and dancer are not above it all, not even slightly. Though if you only play MCH and only become aware of the issues when MCH isn't favored... Well, so it goes.

    Anyways. SE probably will cave to pressure eventually and buff MCH. Then we're back in the same situation as above, as we were before endwalker. So the carousel keeps on turning ~
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Character
    Sunie Dakwhil
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    From HW to SB, it was simple.
    You support the raid, you're a parangon of support, you get cool mitigation tools, you recharges others battery, every melee job loved you, every caster job loved you.
    You provide rDPS and... What's that, out of stamina? Worry not, my boys, I will shower you with TP and MP.

    Then ShB happened
    You are a melee DPS but you have 1 role action disguised as an ability. It's a 180s mitigation, you are useless to the party and deal low damage.
    But don't worry, if you're in the team you bring 1% main stats to the group! Is it because of something you do? No, it's just because Papa Yoshida told us to bring you along.

    One patch later the mitigation went to 120s.

    Then EW happened
    All ranged barely got anything, DNC somehow got a reworked Improvisation.
    BRD got coda and must press Apex arrow twice.
    DNC got its melee proc removed and replaced with new buttons, must also press Technical step twice.
    MCH got a boring chain saw and a cool cutscene involving Quintus.

    All ranged got a trait that changes Tacticians/Troubadour/Samba cooldown to 90s.

    Between 5.0 and 6.2, ranged used to feel like melee DPS but with 22 extra yalms of range.
    Since 6.2, melees feels like ranged but without the tax.
    Pretty much, although i'm still crossing my fingers for BRD and DNC that at least havent melee-ified with a bland basic combo.... yet.
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    Last edited by Valence; 09-16-2022 at 11:55 PM.

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    WiccaP's Avatar
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    Character
    Nyxis Jomalah
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Is mch a garbage job... no, I wouldn't main it if it was. But it is objectively the job that is the worst position in utility, performance, etc and has been for quite sometime. Some people don't see a problem with the job, but from what I've seen about 90% of the player base on forums and social media agree that the job is not where it should be comparitively to the others. It has issues that have been ongoing since hw/sb that have been consistently ignored by devs. The blame has been put onto player skill, players connections and equipment. But in my opinion, if such a large number of players are experiencing the same issue. It's not the player but the way the job is designed.
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