The irony is that this argument has been going on for years and years, just with a different fill in the blank - instead of machinist, it was bard. Or dancer.

After all, if you think this MCH situation is bad - why would you bring a job that has both terrible personal damage, but then the buffs don't even make up for it vs machinist? or vs (insert bard or dancer, whichever isn't the "worst" at the moment). I'd still trace it back to identity issues, but bard and dancer are not above it all, not even slightly. Though if you only play MCH and only become aware of the issues when MCH isn't favored... Well, so it goes.

Anyways. SE probably will cave to pressure eventually and buff MCH. Then we're back in the same situation as above, as we were before endwalker. So the carousel keeps on turning ~