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    Kachou Fuugetsu
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    Yoshida: Yes all dps taxes are real.

    YES WE HAVE ULTILITY TAX
    YES WE HAVE RANGED TAX
    YES WE HAVE DIFFICULTY TAX

    I am ok if he says so. Time to play something else.(another job or game? I dunno

    Really sad they are going to nerf samurai tho.
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    Last edited by Kachou_; 09-16-2022 at 10:45 PM.
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    So... we just gonna admit defeat or are we going the extra mile to say "we dislike your design philosophy"?

    I dislike the defeatist mentality, so consider me unshaken by the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    So... we just gonna admit defeat or are we going the extra mile to say "we dislike your design philosophy"?

    I dislike the defeatist mentality, so consider me unshaken by the news.
    Stick to it! You have my moral support.
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    I'm cancelling my sub after this tier at least for a while unless things change, I have 0 faith in the dev team because of today. They talk about all these taxes but skew fights to favour melees. Then have the audacity to say its by design you're excluded from some content, "we won't fix the true game's issues because we know it won't fix anything". Mch is easy to play and deserves to be where it is in the balance. Like come on, for real, just nerf all phys ranged and give us all one generic buff like we all know you want to. Dancer is the easiest job I've played in the role, min maxing mch is harder for me personally, and I enjoyed that difficulty. Hey though, devs know best, they should just delete the job if we're all being honest. All in all, I don't see the point in paying a monthly sub to be unable to participate in day one hard content because the devs are backwards in their thinking. I mean they're reworking and making all jobs stupidly easy and have to say they design based on difficulty, in the words of chuck "what a sick joke". Once all the reworks have rolled out and everyone is somewhat disapointed with the destruction of their job idenity, I wonder what the balance will look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimAoki View Post
    I'm cancelling my sub after this tier at least for a while unless things change, I have 0 faith in the dev team because of today. They talk about all these taxes but skew fights to favour melees. Then have the audacity to say its by design you're excluded from some content, "we won't fix the true game's issues because we know it won't fix anything". Mch is easy to play and deserves to be where it is in the balance. Like come on, for real, just nerf all phys ranged and give us all one generic buff like we all know you want to. Dancer is the easiest job I've played in the role, min maxing mch is harder for me personally, and I enjoyed that difficulty. Hey though, devs know best, they should just delete the job if we're all being honest. All in all, I don't see the point in paying a monthly sub to be unable to participate in day one hard content because the devs are backwards in their thinking. I mean they're reworking and making all jobs stupidly easy and have to say they design based on difficulty, in the words of chuck "what a sick joke". Once all the reworks have rolled out and everyone is somewhat disapointed with the destruction of their job idenity, I wonder what the balance will look like.
    Same. Maintaining 3 accounts is quite cumbersome and I can go play some Yakuza 0, or try out it takes two with my GF or something.
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    Last edited by Kachou_; 09-16-2022 at 10:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimAoki View Post
    I'm cancelling my sub after this tier at least for a while unless things change, I have 0 faith in the dev team because of today. They talk about all these taxes but skew fights to favour melees. Then have the audacity to say its by design you're excluded from some content, "we won't fix the true game's issues because we know it won't fix anything". Mch is easy to play and deserves to be where it is in the balance. Like come on, for real, just nerf all phys ranged and give us all one generic buff like we all know you want to.
    I have a better idea. Let's remove the role bonus!
    Surely this way SQEX will be forced to see that the ranged role is among the least beloved when you can just do the same, but better as a melee.
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    It just feels harrowing to put so much time into a job and discover it will never get the love from the developers, I don't even think they play it other than random QA tests. Literally years of my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimAoki View Post
    It just feels harrowing to put so much time into a job and discover it will never get the love from the developers, I don't even think they play it other than random QA tests. Literally years of my life.
    I feel you bro. I play most of the DPS jobs but this is the job I started with back in 4.0. They are basically saying they know what is wrong and it is intended.
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    I dont think one need to be gloomy about the confirmation of these taxes as if those are applied it still shows an imbalance between MCH and the other jobs within each role.
    Relevant parts of the taxes are difficulty of jobs and their utility.

    Now when we look at MCH, BRD and DNC, it will probably make some people mald but according to FFLogs there isnt a tangible difference in the difficulty between MCH, BRD and DNC. Not in the same vain as there is for example between BLM and SMN.

    In terms of utility we have the best utility on DNC with curing waltz and healing samba, some minor utlity on BRD and none on MCH.

    This should naturally mean we should have a raid dps balancing of DNC < BRD < MCH. In practice it looks exactly the other way around. So assuming they wouldnt nerf DNC but buff BRD and MCH accordingly, the overall balance of the role would look much better.
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    I have always found it funny how all of these things are framed only in the negative side of the axis.
    There are only selfish DPS, not generous DPS.
    Things are taxes, rather than bonuses.
    You can only lose something instead of gain anything.
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